The Gunsite Code of Offenses

[pandm]

Those of you who went to classes at API or the "Orange" Gunsite may remember the Code of Offenses that Jeff drew up, the violation of which struck fear in the hearts of students. Here, for your enjoyment is the list, along with some recent additions by the Gunsite Alumni Group.

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General

101 Leaving the water running
102 Parking in the right of way

Range

201 Brandishing
202 Dangling
203 Slide locked back
204 Violation of "Rule 3" in a photograph

Cleanliness

301 Cigarette butts
302 Flying paper
303 Tracking mud on the carpet

Procedure

401 Asking if "make ready" means "load"
402 Premature ear cover
403 Whimpering

Esthetics

501 Ostentatious ugliness
502 Egregious use of the English language

Behavior

601 Conspicuous stupidity in a public place

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Cleanliness (Addendum)

304 Failure to clean up your shooting area

Esthetics (Addendum)

502 Inappropriate foul language

Behavior (Addendum)

602 Asking to see someone's personal arm
603 Dropping the slide on an empty chamber or snapping a revolver shut
604 Snapping without permission
605 Asking if a person is armed
606 Asking if the a person has ever been in an armed confrontation
607 Extreme douchery in a public place (Proceed to penalty 3rd offense)

API Email Group Offenses

701 Large attachments
702 Wanton bashing of a list member
703 Whining (See 403, proceed to penalty 3rd offense)
704 Conduct unbecoming a Raven
705 Forwarding a message to an outside group without permission
706 Failing to change subject line when content of message changes.
707 Failing to read Administrative notices

Blaspheming

801 Overly tightening a 1911
802 Over lubricating
803 Turning a 1911 into a rooney gun
804 Using the name of John Moses Browning in vain.
805 Filthy gun

Caliber Offenses

901 Carrying as your primary handgun any caliber that does not contain the number "4" as its first digit.

Schooling Offenses

1001 Bragging about LFI (Potential for lifetime barring from the list)
1002 Anything relating to point shooting in a positive light
1003 Any mention of "the sound of a racking shotgun will scare off all intruders."
1004 Claiming to know some "secret" technique.

Penalties

First offense - Disapproval
Second offense - Irritated disapproval, with muttered objurgation
Third offense - Excommunication

[sheeple]

"604 Snapping without permission"

What's that??

[BLAMMO!!]

Not too sure what several of them are or what's wrong with them. Slide locked back?

[Barnslayer]

I'm not insinuating Gunsite has any nazi affiliations or sympathies, but they do need to hire a new graphic artist.


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[pandm]

I'm not insinuating Gunsite has any nazi affiliations or sympathies, but they do need to hire a new graphic artist.


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Gunsites' bird is a raven.

[Barnslayer]

Gunsites' bird is a raven.

I know. But every time I see the guys on TV wearing those ball caps it reminds me of WW2 German insignia.

This is from the Gunsite gear shop

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[Sherm66]

What's wrong with point shooting?

Why is "dropping a slide on an empty chamber" bad?

[BLAMMO!!]

Gunsites' bird is a raven.

Not to mention the bird is clearly facing the other way. (/sarc)

I can't believe Jeff Cooper didn't notice the obvious similarity in the logo. I don't believe for a second Cooper was a Nazi sympathizer but he was a brilliant man and he must have had a specific reason. Cooper disassociated with the Gunsite Ranch long before his death but that logo was there pretty much since he founded it.

What's wrong with point shooting?

Why is "dropping a slide on an empty chamber" bad?

There are several I just don't get.

[Happy Camper]

What's wrong with point shooting?

Why is "dropping a slide on an empty chamber" bad?

Because dropping the slide on an empty chamber in a 1911 with trigger work can, allegedly, fuck up the sear.

[SlowTime]

What's wrong with point shooting?

Why is "dropping a slide on an empty chamber" bad?

Because that will get you killed on the streets!

That seems to be answer they give to any questions as to why. Not slamming Gunsite, just something I have noticed from some of the tactical Timmies that run these sorts of schools.

[Parashooter]

Because dropping the slide on an empty chamber in a 1911 with trigger work can, allegedly, fuck up the sear.

Not about dropping the slide on an empty chamber (yet) but;
One of my instructors explained that when cycling the slide on a 1911 - you should pull the trigger before letting the slide drop. His claim was that there are issues with the sear getting hamered/damaged if you're not holding the trigger back. Said there were problems found with guns used for security that were unloaded/reloaded every shift change and ended up with guns going off because the sears were damaged.
I haven't sat down to really look at the design/function and see if I can figure out a mechanical reason for this - so it's just anecdotal here. AND a moment of stupid will have an AD happening, so, I'll risk wearing out my sear and keep loading with NO finger on the trigger.

NOW - Dropping the slide on an empty chamber;
You don't want to let the slide (of ANY gun) slam home on an empty chamber! the springs are designed to accelerate the slide with enough force to strip a round from the magazine and fully chamber that round. That stripping and chambering slows the slide down and dampens the movement. Letting the slide slam on an empty chamber risks cracking, peening, and otherwise damaging the gun - NOT just the sear.


"Snapping" I believe refers to dry-firing.



Damn, some people are just over-obsessed with the nazi party.... you see it everywhere~! Do you get offended when you see the German eagle? (long before the nazis) it's a damn bird. I'm sure I could find 100 other logos with birds that you could twist into being offensive 'nazi' innuendos.

[Sherm66]

NOW - Dropping the slide on an empty chamber;
You don't want to let the slide (of ANY gun) slam home on an empty chamber! the springs are designed to accelerate the slide with enough force to strip a round from the magazine and fully chamber that round. That stripping and chambering slows the slide down and dampens the movement. Letting the slide slam on an empty chamber risks cracking, peening, and otherwise damaging the gun - NOT just the sear.

I don't mean any disrespect but this is just bull. In NYC, Nassau, Suffolk tens of thousands of LEOs qualify every on their guns every year(NYC twice annually). And after the completion of every qual the RO will say something like "At this time, drop your magazine, lock the slide to the rear and visually and physically inspect your weapon to insure an empty chamber. Once you have done so holster a safe and empty weapon...." The sound that follows is the sound of slides locking back, mags clattering to the ground, slides sent forward and then most cops rack the gun two or three times (It's silly. I know and the ROs around my neck of the woods used to laugh about it) before holstering the gun. And PO recruits? When they run out of ammo, and other recruits are still firing the drill their instructed to dry fire so any Glock user will rack their slide and continue pulling the trigger. And when they clear the gun they'll rack it 4-5 times upon completion of a course of fire just out of n00b fear.

Not to mention Tap/Rack/Bang, and Rip/Lock/work/work/work drills. Dry fire drills that include a slide rack to reset the trigger.

Add any cop who walks an arrestee into a detention area or takes a metal aided into the hospital as he unloads his weapon, clears it and drops the slide forward on an empty chamber(again 2-3 times). This may happen multiple times a day.

And add to that the tens of thousands of cops who finish a tour and unload their guns daily again letting the slide go forward on an empty chamber.

Gunsmiths should be inundated with busted Glocks, S&W, HKs, Springfield XDs, and DA/SA autos from dry fire practitioners. Gun makers should be making money hand over fist selling parts that have broken or worn just like any washing machine maker these days.

So where is this holocaust of broken Sig, Glock and S&W M&P barrel lugs, locking blocks and cracked frames caused by hundreds of thousands of cops, soldiers, Marines and Airmen sending a slide home on an empty chamber millions and millions of times a year?

Nassau guys who were issued 9mm Sig 226's and 228's in the early 90s are retiring with the same gun after two or three decades of everything I detailed above with no issues whatsoever.

Of course none of this applies to the 1911. Those guns are delicate, picky, needy bitches.

"Always ease the slide down on an empty chamber, never slam it shut from slide lock... It's not the end of the world if the slide drops on an empty chamber, but it's not a good habit to develop either. It is the sign of an amateur 1911 handler." -Hilton Yam of 10-8 Performance.

<runs and hides>

[Jarheadsergeant]

Both the browning hi power and 1911 are jacked up when it comes to that. I've seen guys hold the trigger when chambering a round and it is an accident waiting to happen.

My understanding- the story has roots with the BHP in isreali use (condition 3 to prevent this) and the former guards at shoreham when they had something to guard. Apparently- and this is a good source- they were issued BHPs and carried with a round in the chamber. They would clear safe and empty at the end of the posts and after some time (months weeks I don't know wasn't part of the story) they started having hammer follow and discharges. By having the guards hold the trigger when they loaded and cleared they extended the life of these parts.

[C6NY]

I'm not insinuating Gunsite has any nazi affiliations or sympathies, but they do need to hire a new graphic artist.


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Are you one of guys that sees Nazi symbols in every Rorschach test also?

[Barnslayer]

Are you one of guys that sees Nazi symbols in every Rorschach test also?

Nah! Those inkblots are all pictures of Hitlery's ladyparts. Everyone knows that!

Regarding the Gunsite logo.... that's just the result of decades of collecting and studying militaria.