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    Gunmaker offers free rifles for guard towers on Trump border wall

    Gunmaker offers free rifles for guard towers on Trump border wall (VIDEO)


    A Phoenix-based firearms manufacturer recently made an offer Donald Trump can’t refuse. Patriot Ordnance Factory founder Frank DeSomma sent a message through Guns.com psychic medium and videographer Ben Philippi to the likely Republican presidential nominee offering firepower for one of the campaign promises the real estate tycoon has made.

    “Patriot Ordinance Factory will put a free rifle in every guard tower along the border of the wall you build. Remember, go Donald Trump, vote for gun rights. Do not take away our rights,” DeSomma told Guns.com during this weekend’s NRA convention in Louisville.

    Trump has frequently claimed he will build a wall at the U.S. southern border with Mexico, which stretches some 1,989 miles from San Diego at the southern edge of California, through Arizona and New Mexico, to the southern-most point at Brownsville, Texas.

    As Trump ratchets up the rhetoric on his proposed wall, migrants increasingly flock to the border at the prospect of a more difficult crossing, the Washington Postreports.

    The NRA recently endorsed Trump at the annual convention when he took the stage with the gun lobby group’s two top executives before delivering a well-received speech.

    Apart from the criticism over cost, Trump’s idea to build a wall has been a controversial one, with many of those most outspoken calling out the Republican candidate for his views on immigration. Not only would Trump build a wall to stem the flow of people coming into the U.S. illegally, he would deport those currently residing here without current documentation, which analysts have calculated could cost upwards of $600 billion.

    Also raised are concerns over human hunting, or the shooting of immigrants attempting to enter the U.S. illegally. Assuming the backlash over an imagined President Trump wall isn’t overwhelming enough to stop it or the building of guard towers, they’d have to be manned to be effective.

    If the effective range of a regular AR rifle is 600 yards at best, then the guard towers can probably be 1,200 yards from one another, assuming your border patrol and militiamen are good shots. The border is more than 3.5 million yards across, divided by the space between towers, which gives you a need for roughly 2,917 towers.

    POF’s rifles cost between $1,400-$3,500, so assuming there wouldn’t be any extras, that would set POF back anywhere between $4.08 million and $10.2 million, according to some back of the envelope math. In February, Trump said the wall only needs to be 1,000 miles long “because we have natural barriers, et cetera, et cetera,” which would cut POF’s presumed costs in half.

    The company is offering free shipping on its rifles to all customers, so assuming Trump gets the same deal, that should bring the overall cost for POF up just a bit. Since it would be a donation, perhaps there’s a tax break to also consider.

    Trump has thrown out different figures at various speeches during his campaign for how much he thinks the wall will cost – somewhere between $4 billion and $12 billion. The Washington Post in February fact-checked Trump’s $8 billion figureand includes calculations for the cost of his wall, which he said would be 35-40 feet high. The amount of concrete required would be double that of the Hoover Dam, the Post reported, and would cost about $700 million just for that building material alone.

    “Last Weekend Tonight” host John Oliver detailed much of the projected costs – some of which accounted for the building of new infrastructure to support the transport of materials to remote parts of the border.

    Other costs to consider would be the guard towers themselves, which require a more complex design structure than a simple wall and thus more material over the same area. Though we haven’t found anything from Trump or his campaign regarding the implementation of guard towers, they would presumably be a more effective – though probably not the cheapest – way of policing a border.

    Using as an example the Israeli-built wall in the West Bank, the Post estimated Trump’s wall would cost roughly $42 billion for a 1,000-mile wall at a height of 25 feet, which is 10 to 15 feet shorter than what Trump has proposed.

    All of this means that assuming Trump wins the presidency and is able to build the wall, he likely won’t be able to do so at the magnitude he has claimed, which lets POF off the hook, to some extent. Maybe DeSomma knows something we don’t.
    Pat ------> NRA Endowment Member

    #2
    I don't understand the wall. It's expensive, it can be defeated in the most low tech methods of siege, they've existed for as long as the wall itself has. The return on investment is also shitty considering that border isn't even in the top 2 ways people enter America with the intentions of immigrating illegally. I suppose it does the job of appeasing the right wingers with jingoisms they so love.

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      #3
      Originally posted by wdeister08 View Post
      I don't understand the wall. It's expensive, it can be defeated in the most low tech methods of siege, they've existed for as long as the wall itself has. The return on investment is also shitty considering that border isn't even in the top 2 ways people enter America with the intentions of immigrating illegally. I suppose it does the job of appeasing the right wingers with jingoisms they so love.
      Think so? This one works pretty well wall.jpg

      "Right wingers" "jingoisms"????????? WTF? I think you may just have a problem with American patriotism.
      Last edited by Barnslayer; 05-26-2016, 05:58 PM.
      Exercise the Bill of Rights. It's good for your Constitution.

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        #4
        I get the wall. I like the wall. But illegal immigration is not the main problem. No politician has the guts to cut the size of government, not even Lord Trump.
        The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.

        Saint Augustine

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        • LazyLab
          LazyLab commented
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          And her Majesty Clinton will?
          I believe Donald Trump wants to Abolish the IRS. That's making government smaller.

        #5
        Originally posted by wdeister08 View Post
        I don't understand the wall. It's expensive, it can be defeated in the most low tech methods of siege, they've existed for as long as the wall itself has.
        I don’t think most Americans expect that the wall will make that much of a difference. Rather, the wall is symbolic.

        It is a universal concept that all nations are entitled to sovereignty. For some reason(s), many Americans believe in the concept of sovereignty, except for when it comes to our southern border.

        People should not confuse the issue of securing our border with expanding our migrant worker laws.

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          #6
          Originally posted by Barnslayer View Post

          Think so? This one works pretty well [ATTACH=CONFIG]n24497[/ATTACH]

          "Right wingers" "jingoisms"????????? WTF? I think you may just have a problem with American patriotism.
          That is a very nice wall. If not careful, the below happens (compliments of World War Z).

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJoMuuE3Eg



          maxresdefault.jpg World-War-Z-wall.jpg [ATTACH=CONFIG]n24509[/ATTACH]

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          • Barnslayer
            Barnslayer commented
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            Seems to me those piles of dead were the ones who should have been more careful. Walls work in the right situations. If the illegals get that well organized, it becomes war.

          • Mad Russian
            Mad Russian commented
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            Should have shot the chanting aholes, problem averted...

          #7
          May I remind everyone that Lord Trump's minions said the wall & the deportation will both be virtual.
          The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.

          Saint Augustine

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          • LazyLab
            LazyLab commented
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            So who you voting for Hillary or Bernie?

          • Augustus
            Augustus commented
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            Neither & maybe no one. Thankfully, I don't have to make a decision until Nov. 8th. Since Trump has walked back virtually (pun intended) every position & interviewed Corker, a true villain, to be his VP, I think it's still a bit early to take out the pom-poms.

          #8
          Originally posted by SimpleMan View Post

          I don’t think most Americans expect that the wall will make that much of a difference. Rather, the wall is symbolic.

          It is a universal concept that all nations are entitled to sovereignty. For some reason(s), many Americans believe in the concept of sovereignty, except for when it comes to our southern border.

          People should not confuse the issue of securing our border with expanding our migrant worker laws.
          But why spend billions on a symbolic gesture? You could spend that money on beefing up agencies that police American businesses hiring undocumented workers as well as increasing the funding for the INS so that they have a greater ability to track down people who have let their visss expire.

          Along with that spend the time and effort fixing our system, whatever that means. Start from Day 0. Naturalize the 12mil or so that are here, I like Kasichs idea - legalized but never full citizenship - because youre feasibly not getting rid of them all. It would be a disaster. And begin the process from that moment of focusing on keeping track of future undocumenteds.

          But it is easy for politicians to say "Secure our borders" and win votes. Every politician says it now. It's akin to politicians doing whatever they can to appear to be the most pious church-going man or woman - aka Trump. It's one of the biggest tricks politicians play on the conservative base, and the wall rhetoric adds to it.

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            #9
            Originally posted by wdeister08 View Post

            But why spend billions on a symbolic gesture? You could spend that money on beefing up agencies that police American businesses hiring undocumented workers as well as increasing the funding for the INS so that they have a greater ability to track down people who have let their visss expire.

            Along with that spend the time and effort fixing our system, whatever that means. Start from Day 0. Naturalize the 12mil or so that are here, I like Kasichs idea - legalized but never full citizenship - because youre feasibly not getting rid of them all. It would be a disaster. And begin the process from that moment of focusing on keeping track of future undocumenteds.

            But it is easy for politicians to say "Secure our borders" and win votes. Every politician says it now. It's akin to politicians doing whatever they can to appear to be the most pious church-going man or woman - aka Trump. It's one of the biggest tricks politicians play on the conservative base, and the wall rhetoric adds to it.
            when you have a water leak, isn't the first
            thought to stop the leak or shut off the main valve before mopping up?



            The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.

            Saint Augustine

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              #10
              This HAS got to be better than this!
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              There are two types of people in this world. People that think the Goverment is looking out for their best interest and people that just think !

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                #11
                But the Mexican border isnt even the main source. Visas and people who simply cross with a legal method are. Most of the undocumented immigrants simply fly in, cross the border with a passport or secure a work visa and do not go home.

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                • Barnslayer
                  Barnslayer commented
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                  Not spite. If you upset your enemies, you're on the right path. Now tell me what you have against. - right wingers and jingoism - aka American patriotism.

                • wdeister08
                  wdeister08 commented
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                  Jingoism is cheap patriotism, and it often centers around nationalism of the worst kind. It also helped George Bush run the entire country into one of the most expensive and pointless wars ever fought in Iraq.

                  I have no issues with right wingers with well thought out opinions. I have issues with right wingers that let themselves be led around by bullshit and then laugh when they find out there wasn't a bridge for them to buy. That said, this isnt an issue exclusive to the right. But in the context, no left wingers I know are in favor of building a wall that they think they can force another country to build.

                • Barnslayer
                  Barnslayer commented
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                  I didn't ask for a definition. Who is to judge that our patriotism (nationalism) is wrong or worst or anything except just what this country has been missing for all too long? AS far as I'm concerned, if you come here legally and do your best to become an American.... welcome! But if you break the law sneaking or faking your way in, or if you come here with a fucking chip on your shoulder like we owe you anything and want us to change America for you.... GTFO!

                #12
                Originally posted by wdeister08 View Post
                But the Mexican border isnt even the main source. Visas and people who simply cross with a legal method are. Most of the undocumented immigrants simply fly in, cross the border with a passport or secure a work visa and do not go home.
                i don't feel like doing the research, but I know that 25% of Mexico has emigrated to the USA over the last 30 years.

                The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.

                Saint Augustine

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                  #13
                  Originally posted by wdeister08 View Post

                  But why spend billions on a symbolic gesture? You could spend that money on beefing up agencies that police American businesses hiring undocumented workers as well as increasing the funding for the INS so that they have a greater ability to track down people who have let their visss expire.

                  Along with that spend the time and effort fixing our system, whatever that means. Start from Day 0. Naturalize the 12mil or so that are here, I like Kasichs idea - legalized but never full citizenship - because youre feasibly not getting rid of them all. It would be a disaster. And begin the process from that moment of focusing on keeping track of future undocumenteds.

                  But it is easy for politicians to say "Secure our borders" and win votes. Every politician says it now. It's akin to politicians doing whatever they can to appear to be the most pious church-going man or woman - aka Trump. It's one of the biggest tricks politicians play on the conservative base, and the wall rhetoric adds to it.
                  I get what you are saying but I think our Country has enough resources/money to do multiple things. The amount spent on Presidential election campaigns alone is criminal. We need a lot of changes in a lot of areas.

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                    #14
                    Barnslayer commented
                    05-26-2016, 06:55 PM Seems to me those piles of dead were the ones who should have been more careful. Walls work in the right situations. If the illegals get that well organized, it becomes war.


                    You are right. What good is a wall when a government looks the other way when people climb over it or tunnel underneath it?

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                      #15
                      Originally posted by SimpleMan View Post

                      I get what you are saying but I think our Country has enough resources/money to do multiple things. The amount spent on Presidential election campaigns alone is criminal. We need a lot of changes in a lot of areas.
                      If we're willing to spend billions on the wall I'd rather spend double on enforcement and focus the political debate that will ensue on a worthwhile endeavor about fixing the system. Too much noise from both sides that just is meant to puff out their chests for their base.

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