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  • C6NY
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    Originally posted by Jarheadsergeant View Post

    Most guns eat lesser scopes. That's just a rule. Most cheap scopes track like crap. Very few do wel.

    Check out all the high power guys figuring out their leupolds don't track right. It's comical. So they buy March thinking those will track... I don't have the heart to tell them what's going to happen. They are just new to it so it's kinda cute.

    In general cheap optics suck and you get what you pay for. My remaining leupold Mark 4s are air rifle scopes. They are ok for that.
    I don't have the want or need to spend exorbitant amounts of cash on NF and S&B scopes for my rifles as you do. I'm not shooting long range competitions or sniping at 1200 yards. I'm quite satisfied with scopes down the pecking order for my type of shooting. Yes many 'high power' rifles eat scopes but was talking specifically about the M14 platform of weapons and their penchant for destroying good scopes made robust enough for bolt actions but maybe not the unique action of M14 firearms.

    That said,the Leupold Mk4 series of scopes has served our Armed Forces on its M14 for decades and I've been a member of M14 sites for years which has many members have Mk4's on their rifles and I seldom hear of issues with them, That's good enough for me and more importantly my wallet.
    I don't think I even want a scope for my M1A because I like it the way I fired them in the Navy but if I can get a very good deal on a Mk4 I might pick one up but maybe not.
    If I do and the scope breaks dick I'll just keep sending it back till Leupold gets it right, their warranty is one of the rest in the business, as you know.

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  • Jarheadsergeant
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    Originally posted by C6NY View Post
    What I'm seeing is a bolt going forward with nearly as much force as it was driven back under the burn of the powder and it's certainly something that I can feel when firing mine. You can deny it all you want but those in the know in the M14(M1A) community have know it for decades that it does indeed produce reverse recoil and does eat lesser scopes.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NKLHciAjegs
    Most guns eat lesser scopes. That's just a rule. Most cheap scopes track like crap. Very few do wel.

    Check out all the high power guys figuring out their leupolds don't track right. It's comical. So they buy March thinking those will track... I don't have the heart to tell them what's going to happen. They are just new to it so it's kinda cute.

    In general cheap optics suck and you get what you pay for. My remaining leupold Mark 4s are air rifle scopes. They are ok for that.

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  • C6NY
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    What I'm seeing is a bolt going forward with nearly as much force as it was driven back under the burn of the powder and it's certainly something that I can feel when firing mine. You can deny it all you want but those in the know in the M14(M1A) community have know it for decades that it does indeed produce reverse recoil and does eat lesser scopes.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NKLHciAjegs

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  • cas
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    Reverse recoil? It's not an air rifle. Have you ever watched any slow motion video of an M1/M1A? When the bolt goes forward, the whole rifle is still moving rearward under recoil. I wouldn't exactly call that reverse recoil.

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  • Jarheadsergeant
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    Good riddance to those things. A few years ago you could buy them used for $400-500 on SH when everyone went to FFP optics like NF. That said, the M3 cam 3.5-10 actually isn't a bad option for the occasional long range shooter provided they are shooting huge targets and a 308 with 168 Fed GM.

    The 2.5-8 with 1/2 MOA adjustments was used by the Marines on the DMRs back in the day.

    Any NF or Schmidt and Bender will handle the recoil as well or better than the Mark 4, they will also track significantly better.

    I sold most of my Mark 4s. I kept 3, I use them on my air rifles. They are OK for that.

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  • C6NY
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    I've been thinking of getting a Mk4 for my M1A. Leupold and the Mk4 is one of the few scopes built for the M14 platform and are capable of long term handling the 'reverse' recoil of the weapon. If I can get one for a substantial savings I'll likely jump on it.

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  • Surfer21
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    Leupold doesnt gouge US Gov or LE sales. They know they are one the big players in the "optics/scopes for infantry weapon world" but they havent had a monopoly on it by no means. Leupold makes a great product up and down there lines even the econo Redfield line is waaaay better now than in the past. They are consistent in alot of ways which appeals to buyers all around. As mentioned above S&B, NightForce, US Optic and others I cant recall, all have won contracts with US Gov for sniper rifle scopes. Trijicon is making serious in roads in the rifle scope world these days and may be a bigger player than Leupold! Trijicon scopes are very high in price on Mil and Civvy side, likeS&B or Swarvoski high! Thats another way that Leupold stays in the game, being able to produce an excellent quality scope at a reasonable price point. Leupold can't seem to significantly break into the RDS market both In the Mil/LE and Civ as Aimpoint, EOTech, Trijicon have to a large extent. US Gov sales ,while a steady source of income once signed and delivered ,are not a huge portion of there sales and profit. There maybe other reasons as to why they want to limit sales to Mil/ LE but I think in the long run they are going to drop the restriction pretty quickly.

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  • Dank27
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    I like my Vortex strike eagle for 330$.

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  • hawkeye
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    I've got 2 MK 4s and they compete with the S&B visually, which are twice the price, but Leupolds are much more rugged.

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  • NRATC53
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    Originally posted by Dan 0351 View Post
    I remember the scope on the USMC M40A1 was a 10x (fixed) Unertl. It was only sold to the USMC and FBI HRT. Not too sure why, but maybe they're fearful that if they don't have enough for the military when they ask/need, the military may go to another vendor.
    I had a Unertl on my Win Mod 70, when I turned that in for the Remington they had the green Redfield 3-9 on it with the little plastic ranging scale that melted in the heat... I would have much rather had a Unertl, they fixed that quick enough for those that came after me...

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  • somewhatstock
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    Don't care.

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  • pandm
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    Sooo.
    Let the panic buying begin.
    I'd be willing to let mine go for, lets say.............

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  • Yaphank Kid
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    They will charge the military $4000/ scope and the idiots in Washington will approve it. They won't sell them to civilians because the civilians know better than to pay that much.

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  • Parashooter
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    Fuck them.

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  • CommackBoy
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    Stupid decisions. Half of all the cool things military uses came from regular consumers. Look what competitive shooting done for the industry. The smaller hand guards is just one example.

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