KD4 Taining Classes and Video

[Finicky Fat Guy]

If you ever get a chance to take one of his classes, do it. Kyle DeFoor, former SEAL Team 6 member. He has excellent training and some terrific videos on You Tube. I took one of his classes in May up in CT and I just got into another one for next April. He keeps them small, 14 or so students. He's got some excellent techniques. In this video he talks about everyone's favorite topic, handgun & caliber selection. In the first class I took with him he basically says you should be choosing a Glock but in this video he has a malfunction. :-)

[LazyLab]

I subscribe to his philosophy.

[Dan 0351]

Meh.

[LazyLab]

The one thing I disagree with is engaging a threat with a handgun at 100yds. Bang! I over here mr badguy! I have shot a 9mm handgun at 100yds and would rather not do it at a bad guy. Never mind how you would be hung out to dry trying to justify that in court.

[Karpteach]

Lazylab
He's an operator. He has a different point of reference than most of us civilians. Most of us will keep it under 25 yards with minimal stress.

[mossy930spx]

EEh. Not sure why he's bringing up shots past 20 yards with a pistol anyway. If I'm shooting past 20 yards with a pistol I really need a rifle.

90% of my pistol shooting, practice and training is 3-10 yards.

[LazyLab]

Lazylab
He's an operator. He has a different point of reference than most of us civilians. Most of us will keep it under 25 yards with minimal stress.

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[Finicky Fat Guy]

In his class he explained that the long range shooting is to expose flaws in technique, IIRC.

[mossy930spx]

In his class he explained that the long range shooting is to expose flaws in technique, IIRC.

Judging by every time I go to medford and observe other lanes... you can see shitty technique at 7 yards on paper. looks like a shotgun hit most targets after 15-20 rounds.

[Dan 0351]

If you're a SEAL in Harm's Way and using a pistol....something probably went horribly wrong.

Lots of SpecOps guys left the military and are getting into teaching/training (mostly) civilians, some LE. The industry is flush with them right now. And while many have serious terrorist hunting capabilities and resumes, not all are good instructors nor are they especialy better with handguns than others.
Many have the same opposing opinions on firearms, caliber, techniques as elsewhere, even within the same unit.

Be skeptical. Be choosy. I've taken classes from so many people with High-Speed, Low-Drag resumes, and some of those classes sucked. Waste of time and money. Some of the best, realistic training I ever received was from a small-town California police Sgt who started his own school. For the first 2 days and 1000's of rounds, we didn't leave the 3 yard line.

[Finicky Fat Guy]

Judging by every time I go to medford and observe other lanes... you can see shitty technique at 7 yards on paper. looks like a shotgun hit most targets after 15-20 rounds.

I usually fall apart outside about 15 yards but I am starting to believe that it has to do with my needing reading glasses. A slightly blurry and misaligned sight at close range isn't a big deal but it gets worse as you go out.

[Finicky Fat Guy]

If you're a SEAL in Harm's Way and using a pistol....something probably went horribly wrong.

Lots of SpecOps guys left the military and are getting into teaching/training (mostly) civilians, some LE. The industry is flush with them right now. And while many have serious terrorist hunting capabilities and resumes, not all are good instructors nor are they especialy better with handguns than others.
Many have the same opposing opinions on firearms, caliber, techniques as elsewhere, even within the same unit.

Be skeptical. Be choosy. I've taken classes from so many people with High-Speed, Low-Drag resumes, and some of those classes sucked. Waste of time and money. Some of the best, realistic training I ever received was from a small-town California police Sgt who started his own school. For the first 2 days and 1000's of rounds, we didn't leave the 3 yard line.

I looked that guy up with the info you sent me. I think he is either out of business or doing business elsewhere. His site only had a 2013 schedule and his email and phone number were disconnected.

I agree with you about being skeptical. I try to evaluate any of these classes as if I were being examined by a prosecutor after a shooting.A few have talked about "mindset" in a manner that would get a civilian crucified. One had us doing team drills. Yeah, that's going ot go over well. "So you were playing soldier were you? Dreaming of the chance to kill someone?" Yeah, no thanks.

[Dan 0351]

I looked that guy up with the info you sent me. I think he is either out of business or doing business elsewhere. His site only had a 2013 schedule and his email and phone number were disconnected.

I agree with you about being skeptical. I try to evaluate any of these classes as if I were being examined by a prosecutor after a shooting.A few have talked about "mindset" in a manner that would get a civilian crucified. One had us doing team drills. Yeah, that's going ot go over well. "So you were playing soldier were you? Dreaming of the chance to kill someone?" Yeah, no thanks.

Yeah, exactly. I've sat in classes and just shook my head saying to myself, "Not in NY.....Not in NY....nope, not that either....and not that either...."

[Finicky Fat Guy]

Yeah, exactly. I've sat in classes and just shook my head saying to myself, "Not in NY.....Not in NY....nope, not that either....and not that either...."

I actually had that same experience in a Trauma First Aid class. NOPE! Not stabbing a needle into his chest to relieve a tension pneumothorax. Never. Gonna. Happen. Not in NY. I'm rarely far enough away from EMTs that the victim can't wait.