Hicksville woman had nearly 400 bullets in bag at JFK security checkpoint

[Patriot1965]

from the FAA..Pack Safe

Ammunition

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Cartridges up to 19.1mm, shotgun shells


Quantity limits: Reasonable amount for "personal use" during a trip. However, international (ICAO/IATA) regulations and some airlines in the U.S. limit this to 5 kg (11 pounds) gross weight per passenger. Check with your airline.
Small arms ammunition includes cartridges up to 19.1 mm (.75 caliber) and shotgun shells. It does not include black powder, smokeless powder, primers, percussion caps, or homemade powder and ball loads for muzzle loading.
Ammunition must be securely packed in boxes or other devices specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition. Ammunition clips and magazines must also be securely boxed so no ammunition is loose or exposed.
Loaded firearms are forbidden.
These restrictions do not apply to armed law enforcement officers traveling under the conditions set forth in 49 CFR 1544.219.
See the regulation: 49 CFR 175.10(a)(8)
See TSA's security screening requirements for ammunition and unloaded firearms in checked baggage.



https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/more_info/?hazmat=4

doesnt say anything about any ammo being illegal to put on a plane other than it cant be in carry on luggage...so not having the whole story..nothing she did was technically illegal, she just didnt put it in the belly of the plane..more or less a technical error..not a breaking the law error...

and from the tsa..
Transporting Firearms and Ammunition





You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage.
Contact the TSA Contact Center with questions you have regarding TSA firearm regulations and for clarification on what you may or may not transport in your carry-on or checked baggage.
Firearms

• When traveling, comply with the laws concerning possession of firearms as they vary by local, state and international governments.
• If you are traveling internationally with a firearm in checked baggage, please check the U.S. Customs and Border Protection website for information and requirements prior to travel.
• Declare each firearm each time you present it for transport as checked baggage. Ask your airline about limitations or fees that may apply.
• Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations. You may use any brand or type of lock to secure your firearm case, including TSA-recognized locks.
• Bringing an unloaded firearm with accessible ammunition to the security checkpoint carries the same civil penalty/fine as bringing a loaded firearm to the checkpoint. You may find information on civil penalties at the Civil Enforcement page.
• Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
• Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only.
• Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage.

United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 44, firearm definitions includes: any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, or is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; and any destructive device. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm.
Ammunition

• Ammunition is prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
• Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm. Read the requirements governing the transport of ammunition in checked baggage as defined by 49 CFR 175.10 (a)(8).
• Small arms ammunition (up to .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge) must be packaged in a fiber (such as cardboard), wood, plastic, or metal box specifically designed to carry ammunition and declared to your airline.
• Ammunition may be transported in the same hard-sided, locked case as a firearm if it has been packed as described above. You cannot use firearm magazines or clips for packing ammunition unless they completely enclose the ammunition. Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be boxed or included within a hard-sided, locked case.
• Please check with your airline for quantity limits for ammunition.

Read the guidelines for law enforcement officers flying armed.

[Grifhunter]

Husband's gonna be pissed. Thats at least $300 worth of ammo.

[Sport454]

I guess expecting snooze 12 to know the difference between BULLETS & CARTRIDGES is too much to ask??????

[Finicky Fat Guy]

I've stopped tilting at that windmill.

[Dan 0351]

I wouldn't expect them to know that - hell, I'd bet most gun owners don't know that.

[Huntington Guy]

In free America she would be advised to return the ammo to her car and that’d be the end of it.

[Aquabach]

She didn't notice the weight difference?
5 -10 bullets that fell into the corners or pockets of the luggage could be overlooked.

If its 22 ammo no one would notice the weight.
400 rounds of 9mm weighs around 7 lbs.
I bet most women travel with more weight in their toiletries , makeup etc.

[joeydiver]

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/wo...t-jfk-airport/

Woman caught with 9 boxes of ammunition at JFK Airport


by: Finn Hoogensen

Posted: May 12, 2022 / 04:12 PM EDT

Updated: May 12, 2022 / 04:12 PM EDT
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NEW YORK (PIX11) – A Long Island woman claimed she accidentally brought the wrong bag when she was caught with nine boxes of ammunition in her carry-on bag at JFK International Airport, authorities said.

TSA officers at an airport checkpoint stopped a Hicksville woman from carrying nearly 400 bullets onto her flight on May 10. The nine boxes contained ammunition for shotguns and handguns, including 12 gauge, .308 caliber, .223 caliber and 9 mm bullets, officials said.

The woman told officials that the ammunition belonged to her son and that she accidentally grabbed the wrong bag when she went to the airport for her flight. The quantity of ammunition was heavy and took up significant space in the carry-on bag, according to the TSA.

Port Authority police officers confiscated the ammunition and gave the woman a citation. She now faces a federal civil penalty for bringing ammunition to a security checkpoint.

“Not only is it important to know that you have not packed anything prohibited or illegal into your luggage, it is just as important to know which bag is yours to ensure you are familiar with its contents,” said John Bambury, the TSA’s federal security director for JFK Airport.

The TSA provides information on its website on how to properly transport firearms and ammunition for a flight.


Nine boxes of ammunition were found in a Hicksville woman’s carry-on bag at JFK International Airport on May 10, 2022. (TSA photo)

[FastPhil]

God I hate this place. This is why I didn’t bring my daughter and son in law any 9mm when I went to Cali last
month. Didn’t want to deal with any bullshit. Did come back with bullets for reloading in my checked bag though.

[ajoe59]

Probably a stupid mistake, but let us ruin this woman's life over it while letting real felons go free on a daily basis.

[Aquabach]

Well if she had these on the plane she could have thrown them in the aisle like marbles and people would have tripped!

[viper720]

I got pulled off because I forgot to take off my belt.
I was also covered in GSR because I was wearing my range clothes from the day before.

Oops.

[vmtcmt]

In free America she would be advised to return the ammo to her car and that’d be the end of it.

God I hate this place. This is why I didn’t bring my daughter and son in law any 9mm when I went to Cali last
month. Didn’t want to deal with any bullshit. Did come back with bullets for reloading in my checked bag though.

Nope. Maybe in the Pre-TSA days, but not anymore. This has nothing to do with it happening in NY. The TSA is a Federal Agency, and this would have happened anywhere in the country.

[Dan 0351]

I may have missed it, but all I read was that she got a summons/ticket for trying to get the ammo on a plane. It's stupid, but I'm going to reserve my 'outrage' until I read what her punishment (civil penalty) is - and maybe a few more facts about who she is.

[Dan 0351]

Tru dat! Carry on!

[Finicky Fat Guy]

We don’t keep you around here to be the voice of reason and sanity! Of you aren’t going to quickly join in the mob outrage we can find someone who will!

[Dan 0351]

.......sorry.

[bigbore44]

I have seen enough to realize one thing, when people go to travel on a plane, a portion of their head goes up their ass(for many). They forget stuff all over the place. I wish I had a dollar for every passenger that tries to run back down to the plane because they can't find their passport. WTF.... it's only the most important piece if ID on you, so why the hell would you have it out of your pocket on a plane?? How about wedding rings? Yup, you haven't lived until you crawl under and through the under carriage of a business class seat, looking for a little circle of metal, or a cellphone(#1 lost item in a seat btw). And they MUST be found due to their lithium battery. Why can't people hold onto their shit??

So I could see somebody POSSIBLY grabbing something by mistake in packing their luggage, especially if they're doing it all at the last minute(who doesn't know somebody like that?)

[Aquabach]

Here's a true story that happened to me with my Ex travelling out of JFK to Florida for a Scuba Diving convention when I owned my dive shop.
We had mixed up a bottle of cranberry juice and vodka for the "pre gae" waiting. I had driven dropped her off to wait for me with th kuggage and then took the truck to parking and the air train back. What a PITA took way longer than I thought it would.
By the time I got back she was already feeling happy.

So we go through the checkin and get to security.
I often use a canister light which frankly on xray looks like a pipe bomb. I get searched every time I carry it so I expect it when they pull us to the side.
I'm actually happy they check me because it does look like a bomb with wires.

But no. They didn't want to search my bag. They wanted her carryon.
She didn't check her bag when she packed. She had used it for a spearfishing boat trip out East and in the bag was the 10 inch filet knife I had bought her.
I was pissed. I had told her on more than one occassion to have different bags for local diving and travel.

The TSA asked why she had a 10 inch bladed knife and I explained they said they had to call a supervisor.
The supervisor came, a female and she was nasty.
She said it's up to the cops what happens. She had already called NYPD and they would be here soon.

My neighbor at the time worked for the TSA in JFK. I called her and explained what happened.
She asked me the supervisors name and i told her. she then said, " Oh no. You're fucked. She's a real bitch. If i reach out it will make it worse. We call her " The Cunt"
So while we're waiting ( Good thing I insisted we go early) I'm thinking of who I can call to post her bail while I go to Florida alone.
Then 2 NYPD officers show up. They talk to the nasty supervisor and look at the knife
They walk over to us look us up and down and then one says " Who had the knife"
Being the Chivalrous lad that I am stewing in anger for 3o minutes I immediately tossed her under the bus and pointed to her emphatically.

The cop looks at her and makes a WTF? gesture with his hands and simply asks " Why?"

She is tippsy from the cranberry & vodka and she goes off on a happy babbling incoherent explanation that "we are local divers and he's a really good spearfisherman and get a lot of fish and he bought me the knife and its really good and we have an agreement that he shoots the fish and I clean them and then we cook them together......."

I know what she's trying to say and it makes absolutely ZERO sense to me what she is babbling from her happy drunk mouth and all I'm thinking is she's going to be escorted to Bellevue by these nice police officers.

I'm pissed. At her. And I'm watching the cops and one of them repeatedly had to turn away because he couldn't hold his laughter completely in. I saw the smile on his face and his shoulders bouncing because he was holding it in.
While she continues to babble the other officer goes to the supervisor and comes back and says something like " Here's the deal you can take the knife and see if they can get it into your checked luggage or you can discard it"

She didn't want to lose the knife. It was a good one.
But it's been way to long for it to be possible to get it into the checked luggage. Of course she had to try. I told her emphatically, if you can't get it in throw it out. Throw it in a corner on the floor. I don't give a fuck just under no circumstances do you come back here with that knife.

So she comes back with the knife.
Walks up to the cops and says " Hi. I don't know if you remember me I'm the lady with the knife?"
The one cop turns around and puts his head to the wall and is cracking up.
The other cop says " Yeah. We remember you"
She then proceeds on her new babble about not being able to check the knife in and asks if he wants to take it.
He says " Lady, if i take the knife I have to take you too. In handcuffs".
That got through to her.
I walk over, say "Give it to me" I then walked over to the TSA guys and asked if they had a box for these or if I should find a trash can.
They took the knife and we still made our flight.

[bigbore44]

So now you understand, that when a person works at an airport, they can never say they are ever bored. In the operations office for one of my airlines, they have a shelf full of stuff that they catch at the check-in counter, so it never made it as far as the TSA checkpoint. We're talking about, a battery for a Harley, a chainsaw minus the bar & chain, cans/bottles of cleaning products. Rills of caps for a cap gun, and soo much other crap I can't remember. It can really be amusing at times.