Abloy padlocks - flying with firearms

[SteveT]

I'd like to find a place on the island that stocks the smaller Abloy padlocks (PL330 ish). I wanna take my Pelican 1510 to the store and test fit them for size.

Recommendations? Ideally Suffolk but anywhere is fine.

[Paté]

Abloy is kinda tough to find these days. I don't know anyone selling them. Why Abloy?

[Surfer21]

Those are kinda big for a Pelican 1510 case. Excellent padlocks but are they TSA aproved?

[Huntington Guy]

If flying w a gun = no TSA approved locks.

[SteveT]

I like the brand, no known pick or bump attacks known on their locks.
All of the physical security conference talks I've ever attend, that have speakers who are gun advocates, use Abloy to protect their cases.

I can find them online easy enough, just figured I'd keep the business within the Island..... and make sure they fit my case of course.

https://securitysnobs.com/Abloy-Protec2-PL-330-Padlock.html

[SteveT]

If flying w a gun = no TSA approved locks.

^^^ This. Nobody other than the owner should be able to open the case. That's the rule.

[surly]

I like the brand, no known pick or bump attacks known on their locks.
All of the physical security conference talks I've ever attend, that have speakers who are gun advocates, use Abloy to protect their cases.

I can find them online easy enough, just figured I'd keep the business within the Island..... and make sure they fit my case of course.

https://securitysnobs.com/Abloy-Protec2-PL-330-Padlock.html

I wish that place would buy locks at those prices. I have a padlock that they are selling for $875 that's with %50 off .

[class3]

Abloy makes darned fine lock products. You will do well to get one.

[Barnslayer]

I like the brand, no known pick or bump attacks known on their locks.
All of the physical security conference talks I've ever attend, that have speakers who are gun advocates, use Abloy to protect their cases.

I can find them online easy enough, just figured I'd keep the business within the Island..... and make sure they fit my case of course.

https://securitysnobs.com/Abloy-Protec2-PL-330-Padlock.html

The lock measurements are on your link. Use a caliper or even a set of drill bits to figure out the size your case can use.

[rlitman]

I like the brand, no known pick or bump attacks known on their locks.
All of the physical security conference talks I've ever attend, that have speakers who are gun advocates, use Abloy to protect their cases.

I can find them online easy enough, just figured I'd keep the business within the Island..... and make sure they fit my case of course.

https://securitysnobs.com/Abloy-Protec2-PL-330-Padlock.html

Let me get this straight? You want to use an Abloy padlock to secure a PLASTIC box? Hold on, I'll be back in a sec.

ROTFL.

Ok, I'm back.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an Abloy fan, but this is looking at things the wrong way.
Absolute security is pointless, since anyone can cut into the plastic case. So why do you want an Abloy lock? Anyway, were you aware of ways to force your way into Abloy locks. They're not as invincible as their reputation would have you think.

You want two things.

1) to keep unauthorized people from casually opening up your secured container
2) to ensure that visible signs of entry will be left behind by determined attempts


#1 can be accomplished with any inexpensive (non TSA) lock. Doesn't have to be anything special or expensive. Just sufficient to keep curious eyes away. A $5 Master product is sufficient.
#2 can be accomplished at extreme expense with a super expensive padlock (I'd choose a Sargent and Greenleaf 8077 over an Abloy for this), but a better and cheaper alternative would be a tamper evident seal.
A pack of 20 serial numbered tamper evident seals can be purchased for under $10 (prices drop drastically if you buy in large quantities, as these are not very different from zip ties). Stick one on the container and snap a photo of the number. Put a few others in your pocket in case you need to open and re-seal the box. The new ones we have at work have a tear-off part that lets you open them up without snips.

Soime examples:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Red-Plastic-Lead-Seal-Used-Tanker-Container-With-Metal-Plate-Serial-Number-/271354628607?hash=item3f2dff09ff:g:kY0AAOxyRhBSuSIw

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20X-Shredded-plastic-seals-logistics-Container-security-seal-cable-tie-415mm-NEW-/281775468936?hash=item419b207188:g:zloAAOSwHnFV0WS4

[SteveT]

Let me get this straight? You want to use an Abloy padlock to secure a PLASTIC box?

Yep, you got it. Thanks for the reply, especially the tamper evident seal.

Hold on, I'll be back in a sec.
ROTFL.
Ok, I'm back.

Great. In which case welcome to the forum.

[Mad Russian]

^^^ This. Nobody other than the owner should be able to open the case. That's the rule.

That's a lot of trouble to go through to make sure the case hasn't been opened!
This method is easier, more secure and cheaper to boot. Use two per case so that one side can't be opened:

[rlitman]

Yep, you got it. Thanks for the reply, especially the tamper evident seal.

Great. In which case welcome to the forum.

Thanks.

We actually buy serialized seals by the thousands at work here, and I love having them on my luggage. I'll even tape an extra one to a sheet of paper that I leave in the luggage with a note to the TSA to reseal with that. I'll seal it with a red one, and leave an orange one inside, so I'll know right at the carousel if it was opened by the TSA. Of course in your case, you still need a metal lock to go with that, so there's no real need for the note.

As for a tamper evident lock, Abloy makes a good product, but they're not the only game in town. I know I have an Abus Diskus lock that has a disc cylinder like an Abloy (though I only see pin cylinders on their current website). I know others make this too. The Diskus format is nice, because it leaves little exposure to bolt cutters, though I doubt it would fit a Pelican.
I looked at Abloy when I put locks on my house, but the weirdness of using their keys (they can confuse people not used to them) made me choose Medeco instead. Medeco is no easier to pick or bump (if you get a sidebar cylinder), and Medeco padlocks can be less expensive and easier to find than Abloy.

This lock:

https://www.amazon.com/Government-Safety-Lockout-Padlock-Zenex/dp/B00192092C/ref=pd_sim_328_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=PZEFGVJPZBPDPZCM8XQ0

though it is plastic (but then again, so is your case), has been reviewed as quite difficult to pick or bump, and is quite reasonably priced. Again, not sure about fitting a Pelican.

My choice (also not sure if it would fit, but I can measure mine) if I had to use a metal lock that acts as a tamper evident seal (that doesn't need to live outdoors) would be the S&G 8077. These can be had used for reasonable prices (be sure to get one with a change key):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sargent-Greenleaf-8077A-Padlock-WITH-CHANGE-KEY-1lock-/291847396625?hash=item43f375dd11:g:dE0AAOSwX~dWp9G5

[SteveT]

... As for a tamper evident lock, Abloy makes a good product, but they're not the only game in town. I know I have an Abus Diskus lock that has a disc cylinder like an Abloy (though I only see pin cylinders on their current website). I know others make this too. The Diskus format is nice, because it leaves little exposure to bolt cutters, though I doubt it would fit a Pelican.

nod.

I looked at Abloy when I put locks on my house, but the weirdness of using their keys (they can confuse people not used to them) made me choose Medeco instead. Medeco is no easier to pick or bump (if you get a sidebar cylinder), and Medeco padlocks can be less expensive and easier to find than Abloy.

My front door lock is a run of the mill bullshit thing from home depot, by the look of it. It was too easy to pick for my liking. Medeco I've heard incredible good things about as well as Schlage. I suspect either of these would be a significantly better alternative.

This lock:

https://www.amazon.com/Government-Safety-Lockout-Padlock-Zenex/dp/B00192092C/ref=pd_sim_328_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=PZEFGVJPZBPDPZCM8XQ0

though it is plastic (but then again, so is your case), has been reviewed as quite difficult to pick or bump, and is quite reasonably priced. Again, not sure about fitting a Pelican.

At $8 I decided to throw this in my Amazon cart as pick project. Looks like a regular 6 pin rotating cylinder at first glance, we'll see. Thanks for point this out.

Shackle looks like it too high, eaving enough room for fingers to enter the case, even slightly to knuckle - which is a big no no for the TSA apparently.

My choice (also not sure if it would fit, but I can measure mine) if I had to use a metal lock that acts as a tamper evident seal (that doesn't need to live outdoors) would be the S&G 8077. These can be had used for reasonable prices (be sure to get one with a change key):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sargent-Gree...0AAOSwX~dWp9G5

Interesting lock, I need to read up on this. Its a fairly secure combination lock. The mechanics would fit the pelican nicely, but I just don't like anything that doesn't have a physical key lock wise, I never have. Its also not badly priced at $55. I might put this on my buy list.

I ended up picking up two PL330s online after doing some case measurements and looking the mechanical specs, they should fit quite nicely. Keyed Alike, all in including shipping at $94. $47 per lock for a decent lock is pretty decent price wise, I'm happy at least.

I do like the idea of serialized seals for something else I have in mind, thanks to at least two different members for highlighting those.

[Paté]

Did you consider the new Master Lock Bluetooth padlocks locks?