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    Originally posted by Ancap View Post

    the point is New York came to a standstill over a couple of buildings. Imagine a bigger event

    The second passport is not for going to Canada . There are many reasons why people are getting second passports, you can research it and see if it’s right for you. But if you did there are plenty of private property crossings on the border to avoid checkpoints.

    I don’t live my life planning for this stuff. But I do have a plan if a Venezuela or Argentina happens here. Could it fail? Yes. .....But you read past and current events, don’t you ever ask yourself why do those people stay, they must of seen it coming?


    It was not a couple of buildings coming down. It was numerous planes hi-jacked and flown into building a coordinated attack. The bridges and airports were shutdown because they wanted to make sure nothing else happened. The police were dispatched to all potential areas they thought would be additional targets.

    I would not flee this country i would help defend it if the time came or die trying .

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      Originally posted by Glenn B View Post

      I am sorry but at no time did I see NYC or NYS come to a standstill due to 9/11. Life moved on just not business as usual, in fact far from it but things kept going in the overall scheme of living in NY.

      As for passports: "The second passport is not for going to Canada ." It does not matter for what country is your second passport, what makes you think that counry will give you asylum should TEOTWAWKI takes place here or on a global scale?

      As for asking myself "why do those people stay, they must have seen it coming" - there is a flaw in that sort of thinking. The flaw is that you assume, even if someone sees it coming, they are going to either flee or prepare for it. That is a truly faulty assumption and I base that on historical events that time after time prove it wrong. Look to the Jews of Europe, by mid-war, even the most remote hqad heard of the death camps, they knew the nazis were coming , there could be no doubt of it. Yet, many stayed in place choosing not to believe that they were destined for annihilation at the hands of the nazis. Why, because they had nowhere to flee, because they lacked the means to flee, because people do not want to believe in such evil, and because they were afraid and fear can screw up how you think. Years ago, some psycho-analyst babble bullshitter said animals react to danger in two ways - fight or flee. This was later applied to how humans react. The shrink who came up with that, and almost all who followed, was an asshole when it came to living life because he never realized that there was another obvious option (both for animals and humans). That other option: submission. Of course, there was yet another option: denial (which can be argued essentially is the same as submission). If you doubt me on that, I suggest you read the very short U.S. version of the book Night by Elie Wiesel. The Jews of his town definitely both denied the situation and submitted to it and remained at home even though deep down they all must have known they were on the list to be exterminated sooner or later.

      As for your question about why would someone stay in Argentina or in Venezuela - there are many reasons. They were born and raised there and those countries were their homes. Their livelihoods were there. They wanted to stay in their homes and defend them. They never believed it would get that bad and were stuck once it got that bad. They saw it coming but could not afford to flee. They has hope it would never get that bad. They saw it coming and wanted to oppose it and prevent it. It came on and they hoped to fight it off. o change it back to the way it was. They had hope. Imagine, once Germany attacked, if all the people of continental Europe had fled thus leaving it open to Germany during WWII. Where would they have gone - to England! Remember we are talking hundreds of millions. Then once the bombings of England started, where would they have gone and how to get there. It almost is impossible for everyone to flee whether they see it coming or not. Then there is that other thing - the authorities seeing it coming and warning of it and not being believed because they said the most terrible storm of the century is coming but they had said it before many times and been wrong all those other times. Of course, there is the thing that many folks don't want to believe that a bad moon is rising. Why does anyone remain at home when warned a major hurricane is coming to their area - usually because they refuse to accept as fact that possibility or because they do not have the means to flee.

      Being prepared for things is the best answer and my question is more attuned to why did they not prepare!. Having a bug-out plan is excellent but you also need to have a plan to stay in place. Staying and accepting the omens, then preparing to face what is coming would have been much more practical for many of those who perished in Europe. I truly believe that many less would have perished, of they who submitted, had they instead fought the nazis on a unified front. It is much the same in any situation that might cause widespread or even local or personal catastrophe. Fighting, fleeing, submitting - being prepared is the key to survival or you can leave it to luck and you get what you get.
      Study up on second passports and it’s benefits. I’m not going to disclose my purpose on public forums. There is a reason why they are extremely popular. Ireland only has four million people, yet they have 14 million passports in circulation. Various Caribbean islands actually have programs to attract people that want passports. Plus plenty of other countries. All your concerns have been addressed by other people.


      Your example of the jews is a perfect example, plenty of those people did flee when they saw the writing on the wall. Look at all the Venezuelans that left, huge Argentinians that left, white farmers in Africa that left, the million Christians in Mosul that just left a few years ago, those people are awake others who stayed behind became victims unfortunately.

      When the brown shirts or local street gang invade your home and confiscate your goods, you join the rest of the victims in poverty. At that point you wish you left

      The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule ...Samuel Adams, "The Rights of the Colonists" page 419

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        Originally posted by Shamuscull View Post

        It was not a couple of buildings coming down. It was numerous planes hi-jacked and flown into building a coordinated attack. The bridges and airports were shutdown because they wanted to make sure nothing else happened. The police were dispatched to all potential areas they thought would be additional targets.

        I would not flee this country i would help defend it if the time came or die trying .
        What do you do when the new socialist democrats gain power and create an economic collapse and strip everything you have like Venezuela.



        The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule ...Samuel Adams, "The Rights of the Colonists" page 419

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          Originally posted by Ancap View Post

          What do you do when the new socialist democrats gain power and create an economic collapse and strip everything you have like Venezuela.


          You talk so much shit it is a joke.....the Founding Fathers this and the Founding Fathers that.....I wonder if they would fight or flee

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            Originally posted by Ancap View Post

            What do you do when the new socialist democrats gain power and create an economic collapse and strip everything you have like Venezuela.
            Well, I for one would try to oppose them in any legal manner. Should that fail, another option might be to revolt. One might or might not precede the other in the order I mentioned.
            Retired and loving it.

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              Originally posted by Glenn B View Post

              Well, I for one would try to oppose them in any legal manner. Should that fail, another option might be to revolt. One might or might not precede the other in the order I mentioned.
              For a successful revolt the American mindset needs to be based on liberty...but even conservatives no longer know what those principles are anymore
              The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule ...Samuel Adams, "The Rights of the Colonists" page 419

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                Originally posted by Shamuscull View Post

                You talk so much shit it is a joke.....the Founding Fathers this and the Founding Fathers that.....I wonder if they would fight or flee
                It’s not about them, it’s about economics

                For example, we have huge debt, the president is threatening tariffs against an economic super power that he has NO leverage on. They could sit out the next debt auction, call in the debt they currently own, the U.S. economy slides, trump loses next election to a socialist by desperate American voters, the socialist implement change, hyper inflation sets in, your savings is up in smokes by spending it on buying $25,000 bread.

                but you prepared by having guns and 2 months worth of food, instead of passports and diversified investments
                The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule ...Samuel Adams, "The Rights of the Colonists" page 419

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                  Originally posted by Ancap View Post

                  It’s not about them, it’s about economics

                  For example, we have huge debt, the president is threatening tariffs against an economic super power that he has NO leverage on. They could sit out the next debt auction, call in the debt they currently own, the U.S. economy slides, trump loses next election to a socialist by desperate American voters, the socialist implement change, hyper inflation sets in, your savings is up in smokes by spending it on buying $25,000 bread.

                  but you prepared by having guns and 2 months worth of food, instead of passports and diversified investments
                  No leverage? Who buys 20% of their shit. You would sit back and continue to let them fleece us and take our intellectual property and load their goods with spyware subsidize all the shit they sell us so they can put our companies at a disadvantage. You should flee today you sound nervous and you don't seem to like my country much. For a genius you spend a lot of time spouting your shit with us dopes. The people that died defending this country would sure love hearing how you would run away instead fighting for it.

                  I realize it may not be economically feasible for you to stick around.

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                    Originally posted by Shamuscull View Post
                    No leverage? Who buys 20% of their shit. You would sit back and continue to let them fleece us and take our intellectual property and load their goods with spyware subsidize all the shit they sell us so they can put our companies at a disadvantage. You should flee today you sound nervous and you don't seem to like my country much. For a genius you spend a lot of time spouting your shit with us dopes. The people that died defending this country would sure love hearing how you would run away instead fighting for it.

                    I realize it may not be economically feasible for you to stick around.
                    Yes you buy their shit, with what?!?!.....Dollars!....if you understood currency and trade you would know those dollars are I.O.U. to buy American goods....problem is we don’t produce goods anymore. We only offer debt!

                    im not running away, I’m protecting my family and property from moochers who want more of it. I'll defend liberty any day of the week. But if you think neoconservative are defending liberty, jokes on you.
                    The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule ...Samuel Adams, "The Rights of the Colonists" page 419

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                      Originally posted by Ancap View Post

                      Yes you buy their shit, with what?!?!.....Dollars!....if you understood currency and trade you would know those dollars are I.O.U. to buy American goods....problem is we don’t produce goods anymore. We only offer debt!

                      im not running away, I’m protecting my family and property from moochers who want more of it. I'll defend liberty any day of the week. But if you think neoconservative are defending liberty, jokes on you.
                      Oh yeah once again you are smarter than me. You post like what you say is correct. If YOU understood you have an opinion on certain theories maybe you would not come off as such a dick. I know all about economics and currency and trade. I also know you can't deal with people who keep fucking you in the ass every chance they get (unless you are into that). So when they don't deal fairly we must do something. I do not know if tariffs will work or not nobody does. oh wait you probably do since you are smart......Fredo was smart. Well have fun bestowing your wisdom on the internet i am too stupid and tired.

                      If SHTF anyone can swing over ......we will drink what's left of the booze and beer and fire guns

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