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    Why Hillary Can't Ban AR-15s

    The article is not copy and paste happy so you'll have to click the link.

    At every opportunity, Hillary Clinton attacks, denigrates and marginalizes roughly a third of the American population -- the 100 million who own firearms -- with her promises to "do something" about this country's "gun culture," to reverse the Supreme Court's decision in the Heller case that individual citizens have the right to own guns.
    A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition.

    - Rudyard Kipling

    #2
    If every gun owner in this country voted against her, she wouldn't have a chance.
    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson

    "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
    - James Madison

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      #3
      why would a gun owner vote for her is the question

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      • LazyLab
        LazyLab commented
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        Or not vote against her

      • Aquabach
        Aquabach commented
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        Same reason Cuomo got re elected

      #4
      Originally posted by gripper 2.0 View Post
      why would a gun owner vote for her is the question
      You'd be amazed, ... no, you'd probably be shocked at how many Fudds there are who only care about their deer rifle and duck gun. And they don't feel that their rights are threatened at all. They think you guys with you AR-15s and your AK-47s are just a bunch of whacked out yahoos who want to play army. I work with one of them. I've tried talking sense to him but I gave up long ago.
      Last edited by BLAMMO!!; 05-16-2016, 07:36 AM.
      To be human is to be armed.

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        #5
        "Short of stacking the Supreme Court with justices who would ignore the reality of the popularity of Modern Sporting Rifles as well as the well-established record of this category of firearm being used in very few murders, it would be difficult (some say impossible) for a President Clinton to resurrect and expand (as she has promised to do) the failed Clinton Gun Ban of the 1990s."


        What makes the author think she wouldn't do this? Do not underestimate this woman. If she gets into office and SC Justices pass, she will do exactly this. Its not far fetched, it is a possible reality and she must not be given that opportunity.

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          #6
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          ANALYSIS/OPINION:

          At every opportunity, Hillary Clinton attacks, denigrates and marginalizes roughly a third of the American population — the 100 million who own firearms — with her promises to “do something” about this country’s “gun culture,” to reverse the Supreme Court’s decision in the Heller case that individual citizens have the right to own guns, to remove the protection from junk lawsuits Congress gave the firearms industry when it was faced with an organized assault (30-plus lawsuits) designed to put all gun companies out of business, and to bring back and expand the Clinton ban on the most popular firearms in America — semi-automatic rifles, best exemplified by the AR-15.

          The problem is that neither she, nor Congress, can ban this ubiquitous rifle, which is owned and used by millions of Americans for hunting, competition and recreational shooting.

          Before getting into the “why” she can’t ban these rifles, it’s critical to review exactly what the AR-15 model is, as well as what it is not.

          The largely-ignorant media still willfully misinforms the public by calling this rifle an “assault weapon.” Duped by the gun-ban industry into repeating a term with no definition, but which was created with the express intent of confusing and misleading the public into banning this gun, the media becomes part of the gun-ban movement each time it repeats the scary-but-meaningless term “assault weapon.”

          Josh Sugarman, executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center, a tiny gun-ban group, is credited with creating the term as part of the effort to ban yet another slice of firearms, when he famously said, “Assault weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.”

          Note the admission that these rifles are not machine guns. Ask almost anyone who is not firearms knowledgeable, however, what guns the now-defunct Clinton Gun Ban (the so-called “assault weapon” ban) of 1994 banned, and the response likely will be “machine guns.”

          So, what was included? Basic, auto-loading (also called semi-automatic) rifles. They fire only once with each pull of the trigger. President Teddy Roosevelt hunted with a semi-automatic rifle. My first deer hunt, in 1962, was with a semi-automatic rifle, when I was 11 years old. There is nothing new, nor sinister, about self-loading rifles. What was new, however, was the interest in the semi-auto version of the M-16 rifle used by the military, and the opportunity to confuse the public because of these similar looks.

          The AR-15 rifle cannot be “easily converted” to full auto, despite dire warnings from the gun-ban crowd, and to do so without a stack of paperwork and extensive background check from the federal government is a federal felony. It’s already against the law to convert a semi-auto to a full-auto firearm.

          As to the “high power” nature of the AR-15, the .223 Remington cartridge (as well as the nearly-identical 5.56 NATO round) used in the AR (which, by the way, stands for Armalite, the company which developed the rifle) produces 1,250 foot pounds of energy. That .308 rifle I hunted deer with when I was 11 years old? It generates 2,500 foot pounds of energy — twice that of the “high power” AR-15. And, the .308 is not considered a particularly powerful cartridge.

          In a case of unintended consequences, the failed Clinton Gun Ban of 1994 actually guaranteed that these rifles can’t be banned. Before the ban (which had a 10-year sunset provision), this rifle platform wasn’t particularly popular. Because of the ban and the publicity it generated, gun owners took another look at it and found a lightweight, ergonomically-designed, low recoil, fun rifle, and they bought millions. So much so that within the industry, the AR-15 now is called the Modern Sporting Rifle (MSR), and it’s used for hunting, for many forms of competitive shooting, for pure recreational shooting at the range, and some even have them for personal protection at their homes.

          In the 2008 Heller decision the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed that the Second Amendment guaranteed (not granted) a pre-existing right of individuals to keep and bear arms. Further, it said that the government cannot ban guns which are in common use. While there is no universally-accepted number, it’s widely acknowledged that tens of millions of MSRs have been sold, and are owned by Americans. This certainly puts them in “common use.”

          Despite the wailing predictions of mayhem if these instruments of evil are not banned, according the FBI Uniform Crime reports, each year more people are killed with fists and feet than are killed with rifles. And MSRs are yet a subset of the small category of rifles.

          Short of stacking the Supreme Court with justices who would ignore the reality of the popularity of Modern Sporting Rifles as well as the well-established record of this category of firearm being used in very few murders, it would be difficult (some say impossible) for a President Clinton to resurrect and expand (as she has promised to do) the failed Clinton Gun Ban of the 1990s.

          That will not prevent her from using the phony term “assault weapon” whenever possible, nor of promising to destroy gun companies by allowing them to be held liable for the misuse of firearms by people they did not sell guns to. This abuse of lawful gun owners may play well with her cocktail-party crowd, but millions of American voters see it as a direct assault on their life choices, their values, their culture and their freedom.
          Know your rights/Refuse peacefully to consent to a search /Ask if you are free to go or are being detained/Even if you are not doing anything wrong the 4th Amendment protects you against unreasonable searches/Never say anything to law enforcement even if you think it will help you/If questioned you should clearly and unequivocally request that you would like to have an attorney present and defer any questions until then/Never go to prison because you are afraid to go to jail.

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            #7
            If this POS gets in she will make the safe act look good. Any clown that votes for her or refuses to vote for her rival are traitors to the USA
            Last edited by LazyLab; 05-16-2016, 10:40 AM.

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            • Dropkick
              Dropkick commented
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              I agree off with their heads

            #8
            Hmmm, Everything in the article is true.... But since when does the constitution stand in the way of these politicians. Look at Andrew and the safe act. People have to understand that everything starts at the voting booth. The only thing politicians understand it their political livelihood.

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              #9
              Originally posted by LazyLab View Post
              If this POS gets in she will make the safe act look good. Any clown that votes for her or refuses to vote for her rival are traitors to the USA
              A little hyperbolic, no? If I don't vote for the oompa loompa fascist, I'm a traitor to the USA?
              I will be celebrating on Jan. 20th regardless of Nov 8th.

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                #10
                Originally posted by HowardRoark View Post

                A little hyperbolic, no? If I don't vote for the oompa loompa fascist, I'm a traitor to the USA?
                A non vote is a vote for a traitorous bitch.

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                  #11
                  Originally posted by HowardRoark View Post

                  A little hyperbolic, no? If I don't vote for the oompa loompa fascist, I'm a traitor to the USA?
                  Everyone has the right to vote for who ever they choose. That's what this Country was built on.
                  Issue I see is make sure you know the person you vote for, especially their record and what they promise.

                  Are you a "Traitor to the USA" if you vote for her? No, not a traitor, a fool IMO.

                  From what she says & promises she'll change the Constitution, by her actions.
                  Either by her EO's or by appointing Supreme Court Justices who will change our Constitution. That's a "Traitor"!

                  So.......Vote for who you want but make sure that person won't betray us. She will!

                  "Any man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards. More than that no man is entitled, and less than that no man shall have."
                  President T. Roosevelt

                  OUR FOREFATHERS WOULD BE SHOOTING BY NOW !

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                  • LazyLab
                    LazyLab commented
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                    She allowed a US ambassador and Americans to be killed. She hates the military, hates LE. She wants to circumvent the US Constitution. She wants open borders which can lead to acts of terrorism on our soil. She is a traitor to the USA and anyone that votes for her or knowingly allows her to get elected by non voting for her opponent Is just as much a traitor as she is. There's only one way to stop her and people better wake up by Nov.

                  #12
                  Originally posted by HowardRoark View Post

                  A little hyperbolic, no? If I don't vote for the oompa loompa fascist, I'm a traitor to the USA?
                  Seems like you call them traitors also in one of your prior posts.

                  "The central problem is always the same. These idiots/traitors are just a reflection of our culture. Without a complicit media & public, Obama would not be possible."

                  The culture meaning the voter/supporter of the traitor politicians?
                  I include non voters as supporting these POS politicians.
                  Last edited by LazyLab; 05-16-2016, 01:41 PM.

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                    #13
                    But you're saying I'm a traitor if I don't vote for Trump. I'm not voting for Hillary unless Trump does something in the extreme which is possible with this clown.

                    I think you're going a step to far when you say that someone who won't vote for Trump is a traitor. There are plenty of people that are Constitutionalists that don't see a good option. Trump is an enemy to virtually every Amendment except maybe the 3rd A.

                    And, I wouldn't call anyone a traitor who didn't vote for Romney.
                    I will be celebrating on Jan. 20th regardless of Nov 8th.

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                    • LazyLab
                      LazyLab commented
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                      Do you see me mention "Trump" ???
                      I do mention her opponent whoever that is. She is a traitor and a vote for her or a non vote for her opponent supports a traitor which makes the voter a traitor. You are making this about you. Do whatever you see fit.

                    • HowardRoark
                      HowardRoark commented
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                      Ok - I read into her rival as Trump. But, you are ultimately saying that if it's Hillary vs. Trump & you don't vote for Trump, then you are a traitor?
                      Last edited by HowardRoark; 05-16-2016, 02:08 PM.

                    #14
                    Hillary vs Whoever. She is a POS and we can't let her get in even if it means voting for the best of the worst, the ship is sinking and fast. I stand by what I said and I am done dancing here.

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                      #15
                      Unfortunately, while some gun owners are just 2A FUDDS, there are some that are Republican/Conservative FUDDS.

                      Their guy isn't getting the nomination, so the country can go fuck themselves. They are taking their ball home, to cry to mommy.

                      If they don't vote against the known evil, Hillary, and stay at home to pout about not getting to vote for their guy, so they are going to help Hillary win....they're just as guilty IMHO.

                      It makes you wonder about their mental state...do they think that if Hillary wins....in 4 or 8 years they can then get their guy to win & it will all be okay then?



                      Sorry...But, I'm pissed.....brake problem on my van turned out to be a wheel speed sensor & the ABS controller going bad...
                      If Sonny had EZ-Pass, he'd have survived that hit...

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                      • LazyLab
                        LazyLab commented
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                        Exactly!!! Well said!!!👏

                      • HowardRoark
                        HowardRoark commented
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                        You're providing a false choice. Trump is not the savior just because he ain't Hillary. Tell me one constitutional principle he supports. Hell, tell me any principle he supports. He can't even take a stance on men using the ladies room.

                        He's a cult of personality. Nothing more.

                        And, yes, there are many, many people who are Conservatives who believe that a Trump President will be the final death blow to any sense of limited government & Capitalism.

                      • Tonto
                        Tonto commented
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                        So when it comes down to Trump or Hillary...you're against Trump.
                        And you believe that Trump will be worse than Hillary??
                        That says it all.
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