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  • brirodg
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    Here's my new approach to this type of conversation. Agree with them, then keep pushing. See how far you can go before they stop you.

    Agree that if the FBI suspects someone might be dangerous, they should suspend their 2nd amendment rights so they can't buy guns. But then continue...that guy might build a bomb if he can't buy guns, so also suspend his 4th amendment rights. That way you can just send the police in to take everything he owns and tap his phones and monitor his bank accounts so you'll know if he was making any plans or buying anything dangerous. Then he going to pretty mad about all that, so suspend his 6th amendment rights too so he can't be represented by a lawyer to get his stuff back. Then he might run to the press, so suspend his 1st amendment rights so if he tells anyone about this you can throw him in jail. Problem solved! There's no way he can hurt anyone. He's locked in jail forever with no trial and no representation and no way to get out all because the FBI thought he might be a problem.

    At some point during that scenario any reasonable person will stop you. And they will perhaps understand why you feel the way you do. The 2nd amendment is not a second class right. It's exactly the same as all the others and needs to be treated as such.

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  • M-14BULLETTS
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    was not chucky cheese being investigated before he beat senator pot hole and we got stuck with shit head , so if so he should not be able to posses or be within 1.5 miles of a scary black gun ,
    FUAC .FUCS ECT

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  • Llaara
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    Too subjective. It needs to be spelled out with specifics on every possible scenario on what constitutes suspicion of terrorist activity. Someone may decide that purchasing more than a 1000 rounds is suspicious, or Facebook friending the sister of someone on a no fly list is suspicious, etc.etc... It could be a loosely veiled attempt at keeping guns away from a greater number of people while continuing to protect the rights of Muslim extremists living among us which the U.S. has become increaasingly adept at.

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  • E
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    Mandatory - "should disqualify you from running for president" comment.

    F them.

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  • Barnslayer
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    I'm suspicious of all moslems. Not that it would have mattered at the Boston Marathon.

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  • Huntington Guy
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    Originally posted by crashguy View Post
    He said ....."appropriately suspected" .... I love it ..... I wonder if the first draft of that bill used ... "moderately guilty" and " obviously involved" ...
    What's the worry? 1- The Feds are always right, 101% of the time. 2- It's not as if there was some stinkin' Bill of Rights or Constitution to muck up a plan like this.

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  • crashguy
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    He said ....."appropriately suspected" .... I love it ..... I wonder if the first draft of that bill used ... "moderately guilty" and " obviously involved" ...

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  • HabsFan
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    I am okay with this idea. If you are investigated from the FBI you cannot have a gun.... Or armed security... Or run for President.

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  • Huntington Guy
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    Originally posted by RumRunner View Post
    Ryan and McConnell should put a version of the bill up for a vote in their respective chambers and have it attached to a term limit bill. 2 senate terms and 4 house terms and your out. They should also add a clause that strips all civil right for anyone on the terrorist watch list without due process. If they can't be trusted with a gun then surely Chuck would agree that they can't be trusted to vote, speak in public, plead the 5th, pee standing up in the ladies room, etc.
    Don't get all cocky thinking you know what is best for you and your family, we have Schumer, Feinstein et al for that. Damn it man, stop resisting !

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  • RumRunner
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    Ryan and McConnell should put a version of the bill up for a vote in their respective chambers and have it attached to a term limit bill. 2 senate terms and 4 house terms and your out. They should also add a clause that strips all civil right for anyone on the terrorist watch list without due process. If they can't be trusted with a gun then surely Chuck would agree that they can't be trusted to vote, speak in public, plead the 5th, pee standing up in the ladies room, etc.

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  • IlDuce
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    Everyones a suspect.

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  • Schumer, Feinstein Say FBI Suspicions Should Be Enough to Block Gun Sales

    Schumer, Feinstein Say FBI Suspicions Should Be Enough to Block Gun Sales

    (CNSNews.com) - Gun control advocates said on Monday they're going to push "to finally close the terror gap once and for all" by barring gun sales based on the FBI's suspicions about how a gun will be used.

    "If the FBI believes there's a reasonable chance someone is going to use a gun in a terrorist attack, it should be able to make that determination and block the sale," Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told a conference call on Monday.

    "And now that we have lone wolves inspired by ISIL, even more the reason to do this than ever, ever before. It made sense 10 years ago. It makes even more sense today."

    Schumer and the Democrats joining him on Monday's conference call want to bar gun sales to people on the government's secret terror watch lists.

    They criticized congressional Republicans who voted to block such a bill following last year's terror attack in San Bernardino.

    "The bottom line is these attacks are preventable," Schumer said. "Mass shootings are the status quo. And one of the main reasons is that Congress has voted against sensible gun safety measures. It's that simple."

    Schumer said Democrats will make a "renewed effort to close the terror gap." Yet in the same conference call, Schumer admitted, "You can get a semi-automatic weapon with a whole lot of clips, OK, even if we banned assault weapons, which I'm all for."

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said the bill she sponsored in 2015, and is proposing again, "would close a loophole."

    "There are currently nine categories of people who are prohibited from buying guns," she said. "And those categories include felons, fugitives, domestic abusers, among some others. But they do not include known or suspected terrorists. And the bill we're talking about today simply would close that loophole.

    Feinstein read the specific language from line 14 on page 2 of the bill: "And it says,'The Attorney General may deny the transfer of a firearm ...if the Attorney General, one, determines that the transferee is a known or appropriately suspected to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting in...preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support or resources for terrorism. And, two, has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism.'

    Feinstein said the current system of background checks "really isn't enough," because it doesn't bar "known or suspected terrorists" from buying a gun.

    A few Republicans also supported Feinstein's bill. Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican, sponsored a companion bill in the House last year. And of the 32 senators who originally cosponsored Feinstein's bill in 2015, one was a Republican (Mark Kirk of Illinois). Two were Independents (Angus King of Maine and Bernie Sanders of Vermont).

    In response to a reporter's question, Sen. Schumer said Feinstein's bill "is carefully crafted" to bar gun sales to people, "even if someone is not presently on a watch list." If the FBI determines that the two criteria [mentioned above] are met, "they can prevent that person from buying," Schumer said.

    "There is also, I might add, for those concerned with the rights of people -- and we all are -- a very quick and speedy appeals process."

    Feinstein's bill would allow a person who believes he has been mistakenly prevented from buying a firearm to learn of the reason for the denial, and then to challenge the denial, first administratively with the Department of Justice, and then through a lawsuit against the Justice Department.

    Of course, that would take time and money on the part of wrongly denied Americans.

    Schumer said he believes Republicans, in this "difficult political season," "are going to find it very, very difficult" to vote against Feinstein's bill. "We've had two incidents, San Bernardino, and now Orlando, where this type of legislation would be relevant, making sure that terrorists don't get guns."

    Schumer did not rule out another attempt to ban what he calls "assault weaons," but he said in the current environment, Feinstein's bill is "the most effective piece of legislation we can pass."

    "You can get a semi-automatic weapon with a whole lot of clips, OK, even if we banned assault weapons, which I'm all for. So I don't agree with you the assault weapons ban is the most effective way to deal with terrorism," Schumer told a reporter.

    "I'm certainly for it. I think we should do it, and it's something we will seriously explore. But this legislation, as I mentioned…"has the greatest chance of passing. We want to get something done."

    Schumer said Feinstein's bill could be attached to the Commerce, Justice, and Science appropriations bill, which is now on the floor. "That's one possible place to add this bill. But one way or another, we're going to push to get the terror-gap bill passed."
    Gun control advocates say they're going to push "to finally close the terror gap once and for all" by barring gun sales based on nothing more than the FBI's suspicions about how a gun will be used.
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