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    What would a large-scale gun confiscation look like?

    House-to-house gun confiscation during Hurricane Katrina (Source: ABC)After Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans was placed under martial law. Residents were forcibly disarmed and forcibly evacuated. (Source: Shannon Stapleton / Reuters)
    In the deepest fears of every freedom-loving American is the sinister thought of government following through with a mass confiscation of firearms — the tools of independence and self-preservation.

    Some envision a proverbial “house-to-house” confiscation effort. Police — perhaps soldiers — would be given an order to collect guns and they would literally go to every house in the country to find the guns and seize them.

    These fears are often met with denial and deluded reassurance. But should they be ignored?
    Could it Happen Here?

    Dramatic, mass gun grabs depend on the perception of urgency or imminent danger. The mass mobilization and intensity has to be fueled by something — real or contrived. The enforcers must at least be moderately convinced that their actions will contribute to societal order.

    Historically, these mass violations of rights have occurred during times of crisis or war. These are the situations in which troops can be most easily convinced that restricting the liberties of the people is actually for their own good. Indeed, it could happen here. And it has.

    In 1775, during a time of palpable civil unrest among the colonies, the Massachusetts governor ordered soldiers to confiscate firearms from civilians in the interest of thwarting a rebellion.
    Abraham Lincoln.
    In 1861, after rejecting the power of states to peacefully secede from the Union, President Abraham Lincoln signed the Confiscation Act, thus authorizing federal troops to confiscate firearms from civilians in preparation for military reconquest of the South.

    In 1890, during the height of the American Indian “relocation” effort, U.S. troops disarmed the Lakota people en masse “for their own safety and protection” as they were corralled into their new home. Most of the tribe was massacred when a deaf Lakota man refused to surrender his rifle to the federal soldiers.

    In 1941, President Franklin Roosevelt used a foreign attack on an American territory to justify the mass confiscation of guns and other property from thousands of people deemed “enemy aliens” all over the United States. After the confiscation, these disarmed individuals were rounded up and placed in concentration camps.

    As history shows, tumultuous situations present the best opportunities to annihilate civil liberties. Often, a hysterical populace — especially one in fear of physical safety and security — will show little resistance to forfeiture of individual rights.
    A Case Study

    In 2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the city of New Orleans became a veritable disaster area and was rife with violence and vandalism. The government’s solution was to launch a wholesale gun confiscation effort in the city — door-to-door.

    New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared that the city was under a state of “martial law” and proceeded to sic his enforcers on the innocent public with the usual excuses of preserving public safety and order. Police Superintendent Eddie Compass’ chilling words still echo in the memories of many:
    House-to-house gun confiscation during Hurricane Katrina (Source: ABC)
    “There’s a martial law declaration in place that gives us legal authority for mandatory evacuations,” Compass said. “No one will be able to be armed. We will take all weapons. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns.”

    Cops and National Guard units went door-to-door — with their own guns drawn — to steal the means of protection from innocent homeowners and shopkeepers. More than 1,000 firearms were seized, and untold numbers of people, houses, and vehicles were aggressively searched in the process. Residents who had already suffered the hardships of the hurricane were left battered, violated, and defenseless by the government.

    Victims of the Katrina confiscation say that they had government rifles trained on them until they surrendered their firearms. Their property was stolen without due process, without receipts, damaged, and often never returned. The enforcers went so far as to punch an elderly woman in the face while taking her unloaded revolver. Homeowners were then either left to fend for themselves unarmed, or taken to a filthy FEMA-run refugee camp inside the local football stadium.

    Following the disaster, the government promised that gun confiscation will never happen again. But such guarantees aren’t worth the paper they are printed on during a crisis situation. The guarantees in the constitution are certainly have not been upheld — why should one more resolution to prevent future gun confiscation?
    The Next Gun Confiscation

    (Source: Erik Kellar)
    It is clear that the lingering possibility of another door-to-door gun confiscation cannot be discounted. Americans must carefully guard their liberties in any future war, terrorist attack, natural disaster, or incidence of of civil unrest. Although the scope and duration of such confiscation orders has been limited thus far in America’s brief history, other countries can attest that this is not always the case. The results for those involved is often devastating or deadly.

    In lieu of a drastic emergency situation, mass confiscation of this sort would be politically challenging. What may appear instead is a more gradual creep of restrictions and regulations that are not limited in scope or duration. While the climactic “confiscation order” paints the most lurid image in our minds, it is the slow, meticulous strangulation of individual liberties that has proven to produce the most enduring results.

    The two methods are sold to the public under the same pretenses of safety and order. However, the incremental method is less alarming to the public, meaning it will cause less likelihood of resistance. Over time, the tremendous restrictions on what was once called an inalienable right begin to seem normal to the average government-educated citizen.

    It begins with laws similar to those already being passed in certain states: owning firearms requires registration; carrying requires a permit; certain guns are banned; certain magazines and accessories are banned; certain ammunition types are banned; lists of “prohibited persons” are created. Violations of such arbitrary rules often result in felony charges and years in prison — and a lifetime revocation of rights.

    The growing list of gun control measures provides a basis to sic the enforcers on the citizens. The oppression of citizens’ constitutionally enumerated rights becomes normalized for both the cops and those affected by the law.

    To understand what comes next, look at the War on Drugs. One by one, people will be investigated and arrested for breaking the law.

    Don’t expect militias to gloriously repel the tyranny. More likely, it will be a collection of seemingly isolated stories of people getting SWAT-teamed in the middle of the night.

    Many innocent people will have their lives ruined, spend thousands of dollars getting wrung through the court system, spend years in prison, and live as life-long felons. To boot, they never again have a vote to change the system.

    People will read about it in the newspaper and rationalize the tyranny like they always have. “They shouldn’t have broken the law,” they’ll say. “If you don’t like our laws, move to Somalia.”

    And things will go on like that, and it will become normal. People will wave their flags and sing songs about how free they are, as their fellow citizens rot in prison for doing nothing more than exercising their right to keep and bearing arms.

    This strategy has worked effectively for decades in the War on Drugs. If cops can be convinced to kick in doors and raid homes over plant leaves and other arbitrary drug contraband, they can certainly be convinced to do the same for so-called caches of “assault weapons” and “illegal guns.”

    It Has Already Begun

    The incremental method of subverting the right to bear arms is well underway. All of the aforementioned gun control laws are already in place in many states. The normalization process has begun.

    Connecticut now demands gun owners register their weapons or become felons. A new law prohibits over 100 firearm models, 10+ round magazines, and certain bullets. It also prohibits private sales of guns without reporting to the government and creates a database of people denied their rights without due process (medical reasons).

    The highly restrictive state of New York makes it a crime to load more than 7 bullets in a magazine. New York City cops are working to disarm specifically targeted of gun owners for arbitrary reasons determined by the government.

    California has its own team of full-time gun confiscation agents that go address to address seizing guns from those people the state considers “prohibited persons.”

    In Washington D.C., a businessman named Mark Witaschek recently suffered a violent SWAT team raid on his family because the government claimed he had “unregistered ammunition.”

    In New Jersey, a man named Brian Aitken had his world destroyed and parental rights destroyed when he was convicted of keeping his legally owned property in his vehicle for too long. In Massachusetts, a college student is currently facing up to 10 years in prison for simply owning a standard rifle magazine.

    In these states and more, what should be viewed as a sacred right has been eroded down to a retractable privilege issued by the government. The laws Americans are being acclimated to today will someday make it easy for government to commit a mass-collection of firearms when the next opportunity arises.

    "Any man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards. More than that no man is entitled, and less than that no man shall have."
    President T. Roosevelt


  • #2
    I need more popcorn...
    True freedom and our inherent responsibility:


    • VietVet
      VietVet commented
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      Maybe you should go buy it before November.

    • Hannco
      Hannco commented
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      The Katrina confiscation happened and I believe the Supreme court ruled it illegal.

      Our Government overreacted and now the Citizens have been alerted.

  • #3
    Frog gets put in a pot of warm water, the gas is turned on and raised to high, frog gets boiled alive..If you look carefully at the end, it says no frogs wer...
    "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction" R.R.


    • #4
      I don't think they would do the door to door thing. Too messy and too much potential for those tasked with the confiscation to refuse the order. My guess is they will put so many restrictions in place written in such vague language (SAFE act for example) that people will be made felons without even knowing it. Once they are arrested it would take a great deal of personal resources to fight and plea deals of lesser felonies will be offered with no jail time. But once a felony conviction is made either through plea or trail the person becomes a prohibited person and is forced to surrender his guns or face new charges. Having tasted fighting the government in court and having depleted resources people will give in and hand them over willingly due to having their spirit broken.

      Why use force and risk another Waco or Ruby Ridge when you can do it through the courts.
      You know what kind of people I really don't like?
      Other people.


      • #5
        here's what I think it'll look like


        • LazyLab
          LazyLab commented
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          I stood up and saluted that post!

      • #6
        The officers in New Orleans were very lucky they didn't come across someone who didn't wish to surrender their arms. Things could have ended very badly.


        • bigbore44
          bigbore44 commented
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          You mean like...

      • #7
        • <------This Golden Dart Frog senses the temperature change and will defend its lilypad.
        True freedom and our inherent responsibility:


        • #8
          Something like this.
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          • #9
            Originally posted by SHAKEMEUP
            Something like this.
            If only more Jews had a 22 then...
            SHADAP VARMINT!


            • #10
              I been referencing New Orleans for years now, and not one gun control advocate has argued that point. Ever.
              It's all the same, we're all ashamed of our children who can't read between the lies of their textbooks
              This world must bear witness to a revolution every now and then
              We clutched our quills to scribe the bills of this great nation
              Now show me you can hold a fucking pen


              • #11
                If the anti gun crowd is not stopped after every tragedy they will try to take some rights away .
                i am shocked nothing has been passed yet thankfully it was stopped . I am afraid if Hillary is elected and a new Supreme Court justice is put in place we just may see these things happening and possible the end of the 2nd. Amendment
                let's make america great again


                • #12
                  Just how bad do you think it could get if this witch gets elected? I don't think it would get as bad as door to door seizures but I know that she will make life completely miserable for gun owners.


                  • #13
                    Originally posted by Bklynshooter
                    Just how bad do you think it could get if this witch gets elected? I don't think it would get as bad as door to door seizures but I know that she will make life completely miserable for gun owners.
                    i think it will start a path towards it. it will not happen all at once. bit by bit styles of guns will be taken away
                    let's make america great again


                    • #14
                      Originally posted by Mad Russian
                      The officers in New Orleans were very lucky they didn't come across someone who didn't wish to surrender their arms. Things could have ended very badly.
                      If they did, I am sure it would make many think twice about ever giving those types of orders again


                      • #15
                        Not a total confication but it would be slow death so to speak of laws,bans etc of "families" of guns , mags, calibers I.e. "Assault weapons" then " high capacity mags" , capacity is arbitrary btw, then "sniper rifles", " assault pistols" ( anything over 10 rounds) "Miliatary ammunition rounds" and so on and so on. No somewhat intelligent politician is going to sign off on confiscation because the backlash would be bad for there career