Senator's petition volunteer canvASSer and unSAFE act

[Long Island Gunner]

Funny thing happened last week. I was sitting at the table on the computer, looking for good gun forums after getting banned by LIF. I got a knock at the door from a guy with a clipboard in his hand. he said he wanted me, as a registered republican, to sign a petition to get some republican on the ballot again. He said it was Kemp Hannon. I asked if he knew anything about how he voted on certain issues. He said "i am not sure, i know he is big on healthcare". I asked "what about the SAFE act?" he said he never heard of it, and asked me what it is. I asked him how could he not be aware of the most unpopular vote his guy probably ever participated in, in his whole carer. I said it was a complete abuse of the "message of necessity" process, which is for use in natural disasters like hurricanes, floods, major storms, where the government needs to vote on something immediately with not much time for debate. I said any elected representative of the people who acquiesced to that totally improper attempt at hoodwinking the public would surely never get my vote, let alone my signature. He looked like a deer in the headlights. And he was no dumb kid, he was a dumb adult in his 40's. He said he would look into it and come back. I havent seen him since. now that i researched and saw he did vote for it, i hope he does come back. i have a message of necessity for him to take back to old Kemp.

[Aquabach]

So let me see if I understand your political ideology and history.
You're family are life long liberal Democrats, you upset your NYC Democrat politician father by voting for Ronald Reagan and are now a supporter of the only openly admitted socialist to run for the Democratic presidential ticket, and you are a registered Republican?
Is that right?
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
In fact, it makes no sense. You're either lying or mentally disturbed. Perhaps a combination.
But you are entertaining.

ETA. I wonder how you would have reacted to someone knocking on your door from the Socialist party?
They hate the SAFE Act I'm sure.


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[Long Island Gunner]

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if you want to hear a real economics professor, check this short clip out:

https://youtu.be/Xr3LPFh8CsM

if you have a longer attention span, click on this more in depth one:

https://youtu.be/W-6nrAnDGyU

[Long Island Gunner]

For a very good discussion by that economics professor on socialism. Listen and decide what you disagree with.

https://youtu.be/ysZC0JOYYWw

[Loadingdockman]

Funny thing happened last week. I was sitting at the table on the computer, looking for good gun forums after getting banned by LIF. I got a knock at the door from a guy with a clipboard in his hand. he said he wanted me, as a registered republican, to sign a petition to get some republican on the ballot again. He said it was Kemp Hannon. I asked if he knew anything about how he voted on certain issues. He said "i am not sure, i know he is big on healthcare". I asked "what about the SAFE act?" he said he never heard of it, and asked me what it is. I asked him how could he not be aware of the most unpopular vote his guy probably ever participated in, in his whole carer. I said it was a complete abuse of the "message of necessity" process, which is for use in natural disasters like hurricanes, floods, major storms, where the government needs to vote on something immediately with not much time for debate. I said any elected representative of the people who acquiesced to that totally improper attempt at hoodwinking the public would surely never get my vote, let alone my signature. He looked like a deer in the headlights. And he was no dumb kid, he was a dumb adult in his 40's. He said he would look into it and come back. I havent seen him since. now that i researched and saw he did vote for it, i hope he does come back. i have a message of necessity for him to take back to old Kemp.

He's never coming back....

[Aquabach]

For a very good discussion by that economics professor on socialism. Listen and decide what you disagree with.

https://youtu.be/ysZC0JOYYWw

First of all going from Ronald Reagan to Bernie is like being a cattle rancher that's a vegan. it just doesn't make sense.

As for socialism,I have degrees in finance and economics as well as an MBA.
But I really don't need any of that to understand the idiocy of socialism.
History is filled with examples of failed socialist economies. And lacks any successful ones.
Ones that didn't include genocide at any rate.

Might I suggest you go back to thinking along the lines of what Reagan admirers think and perhaps check out the writings of Thomas Sowell.

For a one liner I'd say the best answer to the looniness of socialism came from Margaret Thatcher." The trouble with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money."

[Long Island Gunner]

First of all going from Ronald Reagan to Bernie is like being a cattle rancher that's a vegan. it just doesn't make sense.

Look at the socialist policies of Reagan, whereby he engineered the largest redistribution of wealth in modern history:

Reagan: The Great American Socialist


So [Obama] is indeed a redistributionist, but so was Ronald Reagan, except that Obama's plans will transfer wealth from the rich to the poor, whereas Reagan's bills transferred wealth from the poor and the middle class to the opulent. In fact, Obama's measures are puny, whereas Reagan's were massive. If the Democrat is a "small" socialist, Reagan was the Great American Socialist.

Let's go back to the early 1980's. In 1981, Reagan signed a law that sharply reduced the income tax for the wealthiest Americans and corporations. The president asserted his program would create jobs, purge inflation and, get this, trim the budget deficit. However, following the tax cut, the deficit soared from 2.5 percent of GDP to over 6 percent, alarming financial markets, sending interest rates sky high, and culminating in the worst recession since the 1930's.

Soon the president realized he needed new revenues to trim the deficit, bring down interest rates and improve his chances for reelection. He would not rescind the income tax cut, but other taxes were acceptable. In 1982, taxes were raised on gasoline and cigarettes, but the deficit hardly budged. In 1983, the president signed the biggest tax rise on payrolls, promising to create a surplus in the Social Security system, while knowing all along that the new revenue would be used to finance the deficit.

The retirement system was looted from the first day the Social Security surplus came into being, because the legislation itself gave the president a free hand to spend the surplus in any way he liked. Thus began a massive transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class, especially the self-employed small businessman, to the wealthy. The self-employment tax jumped as much as 66 percent.

In 1986, Reagan slashed the top tax rate further. His redistributionist obsession led to a perversity in the law. The wealthiest faced a 28 percent tax rate, while those with lower incomes faced a 33 percent rate; in addition, the bottom rate climbed from 11 percent to 15 percent. For the first time in history, the top rate fell and the bottom rate rose simultaneously. Even unemployment compensation was not spared. The jobless had to pay income tax on their benefits. A year later, the man who would not spare unemployment compensation from taxation called for a cut in the capital gains tax. Thus, Reagan was a staunch socialist, totally committed to his cause of wealth redistribution towards the affluent.

How much wealth transfer has occurred through Reagan's policies? At least $3 trillion.

[Long Island Gunner]

He's never coming back....

I think you are right.

[Aquabach]

So that's why you voted for Reagan because he " redistributed" wealth?
How is it wealth redistribution by the way to take less away from those that have it?
That's a pretty convoluted thought process.

I'm not going to waste any more time on someone foolish enough to think socialism is good and a loser like Bernie ,who couldn't get a job until he was middle aged,would be a good President.

[Barnslayer]

Reagan didn't force wealth redistribution. What he did was cut taxes to the point where very many people felt reassured with their financial situation. So much so that it resulted in a record breaking level of charitable donations being made (voluntarily) by American citizens. And THAT's the way you do it in a free America.

[Long Island Gunner]

Reagan didn't force wealth redistribution. What he did was cut taxes to the point where very many people felt reassured with their financial situation. So much so that it resulted in a record breaking level of charitable donations being made (voluntarily) by American citizens. And THAT's the way you do it in a free America.

Isnt it better for an American to have a job, rather than charity?

[UVBNAXED]

Isnt it better for an American to have a job, rather than charity?

What rock did this guy crawl out from under?

[LiDad]

Isnt it better for an American to have a job, rather than charity?

Tell that to all the hospitals and clinics donations by "the rich" have funded.

[OH UNCLE PAUL]

Congratulations on being abusive to a volunteer.

[Long Island Gunner]

Tell that to all the hospitals and clinics donations by "the rich" have funded.

the supposedly "greatest country in the world" has to rely on the hope of private donations to adequately fund its hospitals and clinics. Sounds like Guatemala or some third world African country to me. Kind of makes you proud to live here. Don't it? Thank God the rich are in a generous mood. Pretty sad actually.