Do LI gun owners really want a constitutional government

[Ancap]

I have found more often then not gun owners love to talk about the 2nd amendment but don't really care about restoring a constitutional government and sometimes are against it.

under the constitution the federal government is only supposed to provide:

-courts
-common defense with no standing armies, militias preferred
-post office
-patents, trademark,copyright protection
-promote free trade
-citizenship
-coin money
-bankruptcies

and that's it nothing else! Everything else is unconstitutional! Including

- social security
- medicare
- roads
- food stamps
- welfare
- education
- unemployment insurance
- economic stimulus
- FBI
- EPA
- FDA
- etc...etc...etc..

Most of these are nothing but socialism

so my question to Long Island gun owners is would they like to see a constitutional government restored? Or do they defend the modern government to get their share of entitlements

just for the record not only would I like to see a constitutional government restored, I would take a step further and privatize courts, the post office, and money. Since we now see that the government can't even run those things right

do you just embrace the 2nd amendment or do you want the whole constitution restored

[Finicky Fat Guy]

With the exception of the FBI and the interstate road system, I agree entirely. Sign me up.

[LazyLab]

I see your 2a slant blossoming more and more every day.

[Mosin1942]

- social security
Government running it bankrupt
- medicare
Government running it bankrupt
- roads
Potholes and shoddy repairs everywhere
- food stamps
Plenty of money here, little crackdown of abuse
- welfare
Also has plenty of money, little crackdown of abuse
- education
Common core. Do I even need to say anything else?
- unemployment insurance
As it is now, just another tax for those who don't collect
- economic stimulus
Lol
- FBI
Couldn't indict Hillary after saying she's guilty
- EPA
Poisoned an entire river
- FDA
Continually allowed drugs in distribution that wind up with TV commercials for class action lawsuits 3 years later
- etc...etc...etc..

[LiDad]

So you believe that without the EPA we'd be drinking dirty water and breathing dirty air?
Without the FDA we'd be eating tainted food and ineffective medicine?
Without foodstamps people would lay starving in the streets?
Without the Dept of Ed no one would have an education?

Wow.

[Ancap]

So you believe that without the EPA we'd be drinking dirty water and breathing dirty air?
Without the FDA we'd be eating tainted food and ineffective medicine?
Without foodstamps people would lay starving in the streets?
Without the Dept of Ed no one would have an education?

Wow.

Well not not only are they not constitutional....but it's a proven fact that more people die under the FDA then before we had one and it severely hampers medical technology

restoring property rights would allow property owners to get restitution for pollution that effects them through the courts without the EPA taking it first. Not to mention how ineffective they are and that it is a bloated beuracracy that stifles the economy

food was handled effectively for the poor before food stamps without stealing from other people's paycheck...if you really care about the poor you would promote free markets...because nothing in history suppressed poverty better then capitalism...nothing even comes close...matter of fact when the great society plan came out poverty stop declining...so food stamps didn't stop poverty it prolonged it

it's the states job to provide education....you are paying double taxes to the federal government that only inflates the cost of college and drives quality of education down with common core


I guess if you support these programs, you are voting for Hillary?

[LiDad]

I guess if you support these programs, you are voting for Hillary?

ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

(that's the point of my post going right over your head)

[snowblind]

No, I don't. *puts on flame shield*

The founders created a Constitution for their time. In their time things like letters of Marque and militias could have worked with their level of sophistication and technology.

Not all of the things they wrote then are relevant or applicable now. We live in a different time. We should actually have a ConCon and determine what kind of government actually serves the best interests of the people in the contemporary period.

Not looking to get into a shit flinging contest, but that's just my personal opinion on the matter.

[Grifhunter]

Long Island gun owners just want to be left alone.

Thats it.

[LiDad]

No, I don't. *puts on flame shield*

The founders created a Constitution for their time. In their time things like letters of Marque and militias could have worked with their level of sophistication and technology.

Not all of the things they wrote then are relevant or applicable now. We live in a different time. We should actually have a ConCon and determine what kind of government actually serves the best interests of the people in the contemporary period.

Not looking to get into a shit flinging contest, but that's just my personal opinion on the matter.

Do you have any idea just what kind of MONSTER would come out of that?!?!?!?!

What in the Constitution is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 18th century that doesn't/can't work in the 21st century?

[Ancap]

No, I don't. *puts on flame shield*

The founders created a Constitution for their time. In their time things like letters of Marque and militias could have worked with their level of sophistication and technology.

....r.

militias are still effective, currently the most advanced army in the world is in its longest war in history with a militia that still uses 100 year old mosin nagant and Lee Enfield bolt action rifles....

in addition, Switzerland's militia kept them out of world war 1 and 2

[sheeple]

militias are still effective, currently the most advanced army in the world is in its longest war in history with a militia that still uses 100 year old mosin nagant and Lee Enfield bolt action rifles....

That's because we're facing an insurgency. There's no central node for terrorist cells. You have multiple separate organizations, and when one head gets cut off a new one grows. There's no "winning" when it comes to this kind of war. There's only suppression. And you can't shut it down unless the population is willing and able to get rid of them. Clearly not the case in Afghanistan and Iraq. There's also the point that the military in both of those countries is beyond corrupt and inept. Don't even get me started on the RoE's and other BS that our troops need to slog through.

I do agree that militias work today. Except it's the National Guard...a government run organization. We also have states like new york that prohibit the formation of a citizen militia. America today is far far away from what the Founding Fathers anticipated. Guaranteed it wouldn't be recognizable if they were alive today. God knows how many unconstitutional laws and amendments have been forced through...predominately led by regressives.

[wdeister08]

I would take a step further and privatize courts, the post office, and money. Since we now see that the government can't even run those things right

Post office runs more efficient than UPS or FedEx. Post office actually has the rates they do because they would run the private companies into the ground if they were able to set the rates they could break even on.

Private courts don't work. Ask the poor who had to deal with wealthy magistrates that bought theyre positions, against other affluent people.

Private money existed before. It was called a token system and kept many different types of unskilled workers immobile and impoverished.

[LiDad]

Post office runs more efficient than UPS or FedEx. Post office actually has the rates they do because they would run the private companies into the ground if they were able to set the rates they could break even on.

That's a joke, right?

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[Ransom]

What ever happened to a free country.... Stop squeezing me for every cent, stop regulating me and leave me alone... simple. But no .....politics get in the way along with massive corruption and the need to get votes so fuck me while the politicians control us. What ever happened to the people are in control they work for the people . I hear less and less about that.... we now work for the government...that's the change I see