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    Anyone see these in the gun shops yet? Hows the quality and price? I could imagine the prices are through the roof..

    #2
    Are you talking about the Century RAS 47 or Kalashnikov Concern?

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      #3
      http://www.kalashnikov-usa.com

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        #4
        I'm intrigued by the 9mm AK. But there's not a whole lot of info on their site.

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          #5
          Rifle dynamics makes outstanding AK platform rifles in Az. Best I have seen

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            #6
            The new Kalashnikov USA, if that is what the OP is referring to is not affiliated at all with Kalashnikov Russia (the old Izhmash factory).

            They are using CNC machines to make AKMs to a tighter platform, which is not necessarily a good thing (since you want "loose" tolerances with mil surp ammo, the AK should eat anything). They are also on the pricey side.


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            US MADE SAIGAS HITTING THE MARKET
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            With Obama's sanctions on Russian imports, crimping genuine Saiga demand, a US concern has launched to provide "US" made saigas and AKs.

            Kalashnikov USA is not official or related to Kalashnikov Concern (Russia, formerly the Izhmash factory) that produced all the Russian saigas and will be using CNC technology, which will produce tighter tolerances according to the companies press release (which may not be a good thing with the AK format for surplus ammo).

            SO IS IT AN AKM/SAIGA?
            So if you're in the market for a Saiga, remember this is not really one, as much as a US made Saiga clone using a different manufacturing process resulting in different tolerances. The allure of the Saiga was that it was made in a legendary Russian factory that produced military rifles (and Kalashnikov himself held a seat on the board). Saigas have genuine Russian dimpled receivers and mil spec barrels. The Izhmash logo crest is a stamp most collectors want on their rifle, and synonymous with Saiga.

            How will this rifle function--it remains to be seen. This reminds me of when PTR began making HK91 clones, using genuine tooling bought from the HK Portugal plant. The PTR-91s were beautiful with great quality but they increased the tolerances on the first offering tweaking the .308 battle rifle (civilian version of the G3) with a "match grade" barrel. This caused a lot of the surplus ammo to stick. So PTR released the "GI Version" of the PTR-91, which kept the looser tolerances of the original G3/HK91 and that ate any ammo including 1970s NATO surplus. So tighter tolerances on battle rifles is usually a negative
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            Russia’s iconic weapons manufacturer Kalashnikov Concern is unable to stop the sales of American-made Kalashnikov AK assault rifles due to the sanctions imposed by the U.S. on Russia, a representative of the company has told the TASS news agency.

            It was reported earlier that the Pennsylvania-based firm Kalashnikov USA had begun to produce and sell the rifles within the United States, circumventing the sanctions imposed in 2014 over Russia’s role in the Ukraine conflict, which prevent the import of the weapons.
            - http://rbth.com/news...n_us_47717.html)

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            Kalashnikov USA has just announced the suggested retail prices for its first series of American-made AK-pattern rifles and shotguns built in Tullytown, Pennsylvania, using all-American components. Prices range from $719 to $999.

            Some of the products look very familiar including the $719 US132 which is a dead ringer for the IZ132, commonly called the Saiga 7.62x39mm Sporter. The list price is a bit higher but that does include a full compliment of 922r-compliant parts, which were a hidden cost with the original Saiga Sporters for many shooters.

            http://www.guns.com/2015/08/10/kalas...-american-aks/

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            Classic Arms was pre-selling one of the Kal USA AK formats at $100 below MSRP.

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            • Mad Russian
              Mad Russian commented
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              You can always 'loosen things up' by tossing sand in the action and shooting a few mags...
              Last edited by Mad Russian; 05-06-2016, 01:26 PM.

            • Destro
              Destro commented
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              the chamber tolerances are machined tighter (smaller specs) these are not made to the same specs as AKs

              reminds me of when PTR made HK91 clones (PTR-91). They tried to improve on the original by making tighter chambers and -match grade- barrels and a lot of milsurp ammo had problems cycling (they're actually very quality rifles, but too precise for mil specs) So they then introduced the PTR-91 -GI- model which was made to the original HK specs and barrel and ate everything.
              Last edited by Destro; 05-06-2016, 01:30 PM.

            #7
            Good info, thanks guys

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              #8
              I guess nobody here has taken the plunge and bought one. Adding to Destro's comment, it might be the only AK that can't handle Russian ammo.
              Last edited by Barnslayer; 05-06-2016, 05:33 PM.
              Exercise the Bill of Rights. It's good for your Constitution.

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                #9
                Well the other thing is ..a.bout Kalashnikov Concern (formerly Izhmash in Russia) is you were getting a genuine Russian AKM. It's sought after just as you want a genuine Italian Ferrari and a Japanese Katana, not clones made in the US of those type of items. E. European AKs and kits are authentic.

                Secondly, it's still an unproven platform, an AKM made by CNC to different specs. You're rolling the dice at a high price. Only time will tell. Doesn't help that other US made AKs in the past all sucked, like IO Inc, etc.

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                  #10
                  Imo, America has not gotten the ak platform down yet, they are on par with wasrs.. That's at least my experience with a century and my PSA build.

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                    #11
                    If you want to see the pricing for Kalashnikov USA they released the models and prices:

                    Again, these have nothing to do with the Russian company Kalashnikov Concern which makes AKs and Saigas in the famous Izhmash plant. This was an American company that took advantage of the current Russian embargo and the lack of the Russian trademark laws. These are not the same exact specs as AKs and Saigas though they are clones.

                    Personally, in a free state I'd take a $400 Romy WASR or a Polish Tantal or Bulgy Ak74 over these any day.

                    https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/kal...ican-made-aks/


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                    $836 msrp
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                    $924.00 msrp
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                    $719.00 msrp
                    Last edited by Destro; 05-06-2016, 09:41 PM.

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                      #12
                      Originally posted by Destro View Post
                      If you want to see the pricing for Kalashnikov USA they released the models and prices:

                      Again, these have nothing to do with the Russian company Kalashnikov Concern which makes AKs and Saigas in the famous Izhmash plant. This was an American company that took advantage of the current Russian embargo and the lack of the Russian trademark laws. These are not the same exact specs as AKs and Saigas though they are clones.

                      Personally, in a free state I'd take a $400 Romy WASR or a Polish Tantal or Bulgy Ak74 over these any day.

                      https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/kal...ican-made-aks/


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                      $836 msrp
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                      I could build any of those better and for less money using good old fashioned soviet parts, like Russian Jesus intended.

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