Just came across this regarding 80% lowers, trying to verify accuracy

[Rubbermittens]

I just came across this statement and was wondering the accuracy of it, Still searching but some of you are faster than I am


ATF has redefined WHO is REQUIRED to have an Manufactures FFL License, for making Finished Receivers, for ANY FireArm, in the USA. The NEW Rule states that ANYONE who Makes, or Finishes, an 80% Receiver, is NOW, considered a Manufacture of FireArms, and therefore MUST comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, as amended. this means Licensing, Reporting, and Documenting Serial Numbers on such Receivers, PERIOD...

[bberetta1]

I think you are GTG as long as you are making it for yourself.

[E]

I believe that has always been the case of they make them for sale, but not if you make it for your own personal use.

There are a few builders who might have some more info

[crashguy]

Don't worry about that bullshit ...this is America.... if they ban 80% lowers ...some one will make 79% lowers.....

[LI Ammo]

I just came across this statement and was wondering the accuracy of it, Still searching but some of you are faster than I am


ATF has redefined WHO is REQUIRED to have an Manufactures FFL License, for making Finished Receivers, for ANY FireArm, in the USA. The NEW Rule states that ANYONE who Makes, or Finishes, an 80% Receiver, is NOW, considered a Manufacture of FireArms, and therefore MUST comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, as amended. this means Licensing, Reporting, and Documenting Serial Numbers on such Receivers, PERIOD...

Here's what you I believe you heard about. A lot of bad info has been out about this via email chains.
In January 2015, the ATF clarified their own rule from 2010.

In plain English the ATF held that an individual cannot go to a friend with a CNC machine at work and ask him to machine the lower for him, or ask him to allow the use of his company's machine to complete a lower, and that a company can't offer that service for a fee either. An unlicensed entity that provides that service becomes a firearm manufacturer , and as such must be licensed to do that work. That would include the fact that the finished product then be serialized.

So you still do not need to have a license to handle your own lower, as long as you don't plan to sell or distribute that lower, you can only make it for your own use. Interesting, that they way I read it, a friend with a CNC in his garage that does not conduct business, but only has it for a hobby, probably can let you use his machine. You interpretation may vary.

Next, don't take my word on this, because the internet has more than one mistake on it or so I have heard. So I have copied the ATF web site below for you to read. The whole discussion is at the link below.


Held, any person (including any corporation or other legal entity) engaged in the business

of performing machining, molding, casting, forging, printing (additive manufacturing) or other

manufacturing process to create a firearm frame or receiver, or to make a frame or receiver

suitable for use as part of a “weapon ... which will or is designed to or may readily be converted

to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,”i.e., a “firearm,” must be licensed as a

manufacturer under the GCA; identify (mark) any such firearm; and maintain required

manufacturer’s records.



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Held further, a business (including an association or society) may not avoid the

manufacturing license, marking, and recordkeeping requirements of the GCA by allowing

persons to perform manufacturing processes on blanks or incomplete firearms (including frames

or receivers) using machinery, tools, or equipment under its dominion and control where that

business controls access to, and use of, such machinery, tools, or equipment.

Held further , this ruling is limited to an interpretation of the requirements imposed on

persons under the GCA, and does not interpret the requirements of the National Firearms Act, 26

U.S.C. 5801

et. seq.

ATF Ruling 2010 -10 is hereby clarified

https://www.atf.gov/file/11711/download

[Rubbermittens]

Here's what you I believe you heard about. A lot of bad info has been out about this via email chains.
In January 2015, the ATF clarified their own rule from 2010.

In plain English the ATF held that an individual cannot go to a friend with a CNC machine at work and ask him to machine the lower for him, or ask him to allow the use of his company's machine to complete a lower, and that a company can't offer that service for a fee either. An unlicensed entity that provides that service becomes a firearm manufacturer , and as such must be licensed to do that work. That would include the fact that the finished product then be serialized.

So you still do not need to have a license to handle your own lower, as long as you don't plan to sell or distribute that lower, you can only make it for your own use. Interesting, that they way I read it, a friend with a CNC in his garage that does not conduct business, but only has it for a hobby, probably can let you use his machine. You interpretation may vary.

Next, don't take my word on this, because the internet has more than one mistake on it or so I have heard. So I have copied the ATF web site below for you to read. The whole discussion is at the link below.


Held, any person (including any corporation or other legal entity) engaged in the business

of performing machining, molding, casting, forging, printing (additive manufacturing) or other

manufacturing process to create a firearm frame or receiver, or to make a frame or receiver

suitable for use as part of a “weapon ... which will or is designed to or may readily be converted

to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,”i.e., a “firearm,” must be licensed as a

manufacturer under the GCA; identify (mark) any such firearm; and maintain required

manufacturer’s records.



- 6 -

Held further, a business (including an association or society) may not avoid the

manufacturing license, marking, and recordkeeping requirements of the GCA by allowing

persons to perform manufacturing processes on blanks or incomplete firearms (including frames

or receivers) using machinery, tools, or equipment under its dominion and control where that

business controls access to, and use of, such machinery, tools, or equipment.

Held further , this ruling is limited to an interpretation of the requirements imposed on

persons under the GCA, and does not interpret the requirements of the National Firearms Act, 26

U.S.C. 5801

et. seq.

ATF Ruling 2010 -10 is hereby clarified

https://www.atf.gov/file/11711/download

Thank You, So If I have a CNC machine at my home and a friend gives me a block of aluminum and I drill some holes and do some milling for no charge or no barter that is not legal?

[LI Ammo]

Thank You, So If I have a CNC machine at my home and a friend gives me a block of aluminum and I drill some holes and do some milling for no charge or no barter that is not legal?

The way I see it, I would disagree with your statement. I am not a lawyer, I'm hold no special knowledge in this area, so buyer beware, but I read into it that the prohibition is for business or a person engaged in business. It says any person engaged in the business of machining, not a guy with a hobby setup in his garage.
Remember, my advice is worth what you paid for it (nothing), so make sure you read the whole document, I included the link on the bottom of the first post.

[50bmgshooter]

Thank You, So If I have a CNC machine at my home and a friend gives me a block of aluminum and I drill some holes and do some milling for no charge or no barter that is not legal?

The way I see it, I would disagree with your statement. I am not a lawyer, I'm hold no special knowledge in this area, so buyer beware, but I read into it that the prohibition is for business or a person engaged in business. It says any person engaged in the business of machining, not a guy with a hobby setup in his garage.
Remember, my advice is worth what you paid for it (nothing), so make sure you read the whole document, I included the link on the bottom of the first post.

The way I understood it is
the Owner of the receiver must be the one to do the machining. other wise you are preforming unlicensed gunsmithing services for that person.


Now with that thought in mind
If you have a CNC mill and you want to let your friends use it to mill a 80% out. You should be able to mount and set up the blank into the mill and just let them hit the start button.

My thoughts are you are just working with a "paper weight" at that point and they are turning into a functional receiver by starting the mill and milling it out

[LiDad]

California, in the wake of San Bernadino, is trying t pass such legislation.