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    Non Detachable Mag ARs really suck donkey balls

    I taught a new gun owner how to use his guns yesterday. One was a Winchester SXP 20 gauge (which is a really nice solid gun) and the other was an Aero build with a fixed mag. It was my first experience with a fixed mag AR as I always thought it was better to have a detachable mag than the bad features. This confirmed my suspicion as the fixed mag gun is extremely awkward to use in a range setting, forget about having to run and gun. The speedloaders and stripper clips would only be a marginal improvement. It made me feel a lot better about my Thordsens and other featureless rifles.
    Just posting some of my first hand experience. I told him to stick to the 20 gauge. He blew the shit out of the target with that.

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    I am not a fan of fixed mags.
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        #4
        Those MA Loaders do work well. Just tried one a couple weeks ago.

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          My issue with the MA loaders is that while they do work, they are a much larger package designed to load the same 10 rounds as a small 10 round mag. So if you want to use it in a defensive situation, you have to carry a bunch of prefilled loaders which take up way more space and are heavier than the same number of 10 rd mags. I can see the loaders making a range session better, but I would never consider rolling heavy with that setup. Plus the whole jam clearing issue.

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            #6
            I just ordered 1 for shits and giggles.

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              #7
              Fixed mag for run-and-gun, or HD is just foolish. They are strictly range use. The loaders do take a bit of practice, and trying to use one under stress would just make the situation worse. Too easy to get a misfeed, take too long to clear most malfunctions. The Mean Arms and Bear Flag Defense work differently than each other, each with pluses and minuses.

              While the loaders are long, it's no different than a 10/30 mag.
              Steve

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                #8
                Originally posted by vmtcmt View Post

                While the loaders are long, it's no different than a 10/30 mag.
                I don’t like 10/30s either. I think 10/20s are ok as they give you a bit extra to grab.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
                  My issue with the MA loaders is that while they do work, they are a much larger package designed to load the same 10 rounds as a small 10 round mag. So if you want to use it in a defensive situation, you have to carry a bunch of prefilled loaders which take up way more space and are heavier than the same number of 10 rd mags. I can see the loaders making a range session better, but I would never consider rolling heavy with that setup. Plus the whole jam clearing issue.
                  They aren't very cheap either at 2-3x the cost of a mag.

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                    #10
                    I have a buddy that does not own an AR but does have a stripped lower. Every time we see each other he says he wants me to help him with his build. He wants all the bad features and feels the fixed mag option is what he wants. I feel he should probably do 2 builds, one fixed mag and a featureless version as he does have an interest in defensive use of the gun.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
                      I have a buddy that does not own an AR but does have a stripped lower. Every time we see each other he says he wants me to help him with his build. He wants all the bad features and feels the fixed mag option is what he wants. I feel he should probably do 2 builds, one fixed mag and a featureless version as he does have an interest in defensive use of the gun.
                      There's always a good reason to have extra stripped lowers

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by SemiAutoFetish View Post

                        There's always a good reason to have extra stripped lowers
                        True dat!

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                          #13
                          Standby for some asshole to come in and ask why you need a defensive gun, not accept the reason you give, then tell you to get some real training... even though he has no clue as to whether you have training or not.

                          In 3... 2... 1...

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
                            I have a buddy that does not own an AR but does have a stripped lower. Every time we see each other he says he wants me to help him with his build. He wants all the bad features and feels the fixed mag option is what he wants. I feel he should probably do 2 builds, one fixed mag and a featureless version as he does have an interest in defensive use of the gun.
                            This is the answer. If you want to do any kind of class like an appleseed then you need a detachable mag. Keep in mind how easily convertible the fixed mag options are. Even a "permanent" conversion can be broken off and replaced with normal mag hardware in a matter of minutes. If the dead are reanimated or the socialists try to load us into box cars again this is a great option to have. I don't shoot as much as I used to but when I do its almost always from a bench at Calverton. While the fixed mag did make things somewhat inconvenient at first, I've adapted and still managed to make good use of my range time and have fun as well. Plus, I like the idea of the rifle being completely legal yet so easily restorable to normal.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by RumRunner View Post

                              This is the answer. If you want to do any kind of class like an appleseed then you need a detachable mag. Keep in mind how easily convertible the fixed mag options are. Even a "permanent" conversion can be broken off and replaced with normal mag hardware in a matter of minutes. If the dead are reanimated or the socialists try to load us into box cars again this is a great option to have. I don't shoot as much as I used to but when I do its almost always from a bench at Calverton. While the fixed mag did make things somewhat inconvenient at first, I've adapted and still managed to make good use of my range time and have fun as well. Plus, I like the idea of the rifle being completely legal yet so easily restorable to normal.
                              Fair enough.

                              edit to add that it depends on what fixed mag option you have. Some are easier to bypass than others. And I have seen some that would fail the test of whether the mag can be removed.
                              Last edited by Genghis Khan; 11-15-2020, 09:25 AM.

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