Hey members, not sure if everyone recalls, but there was a thread not too long ago about the non nfa 14 inch shotgun (thread here https://www.longislandgunclub.com/fo...sylum-weaponry).
I have been doing some casual research on these. I am in the market for another pump, and was just stiffed on a traditional one on gunbroker; that revived my interest in this and I am now moving it up on my agenda. Black Aces and 802 Traders, 2 companies that produce variants of these, essentially stated when I contacted them that they are not for sale in NY, just because they havent bothered with our commie marketplace. I contacted the NYSP police and was informed that they see no reason, after reviewing the details I provuded, atf letters, and nys penal law, that these would be illegal here. This leaves me with a few questions, hopefully there are some who can provide answers.
First, in order for a shotgun to be legally modified in this fashion, it has to begin its life as a pistol grip only shotgun. It must be transferred on a 4473 as "other". For our FFLs on here, is that standard procedure for pistol grip shotguns, or would it need to be specified by the buyer during the transfer?
Second, obviously my discussions with NYSP do not carry the weight of law, and much like compliance products and such, I assume that there is no office or person in the state of ny who would be able to provide the state level equivalent of an atf determination letter. I do remember people stating it would have to be put on a pistol permit (even though by federal and nys definition it is not a pistol). I was wondering if anyone has followed that path, or if anyone has any suggestions on who else to contact. I may give NCPL and Murtha and Murtha a buzz, see if they can weigh in as well.
Thanks in advance.
I have been doing some casual research on these. I am in the market for another pump, and was just stiffed on a traditional one on gunbroker; that revived my interest in this and I am now moving it up on my agenda. Black Aces and 802 Traders, 2 companies that produce variants of these, essentially stated when I contacted them that they are not for sale in NY, just because they havent bothered with our commie marketplace. I contacted the NYSP police and was informed that they see no reason, after reviewing the details I provuded, atf letters, and nys penal law, that these would be illegal here. This leaves me with a few questions, hopefully there are some who can provide answers.
First, in order for a shotgun to be legally modified in this fashion, it has to begin its life as a pistol grip only shotgun. It must be transferred on a 4473 as "other". For our FFLs on here, is that standard procedure for pistol grip shotguns, or would it need to be specified by the buyer during the transfer?
Second, obviously my discussions with NYSP do not carry the weight of law, and much like compliance products and such, I assume that there is no office or person in the state of ny who would be able to provide the state level equivalent of an atf determination letter. I do remember people stating it would have to be put on a pistol permit (even though by federal and nys definition it is not a pistol). I was wondering if anyone has followed that path, or if anyone has any suggestions on who else to contact. I may give NCPL and Murtha and Murtha a buzz, see if they can weigh in as well.
Thanks in advance.
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