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    NYPD Ammo Underpowered / Defective?

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/19/nypd-ch...-cops-bullets/
    NYPD checking ammo after knifeman’s jacket stops cops’ bullets

    Four of the shots that cops fired at a madman waving a knife in Midtown failed to penetrate his jacket — which was not bullet-proof — and the NYPD will now check the weapons for malfunction, law enforcement sources told The Post.
    “The bullets we have may be defective and that’s very disturbing,” one source said. “When we fire our weapons we want to make damn sure that our bullets hit our target – neutralizing our target.”
    A sergeant and an officer fired a total of nine rounds at 46-year-old Garry Conrad Wednesday, with one of the shots killing the depressed Broadway stagehand who refused to drop the blade at West 49th Street and Eighth Avenue.
    Four of the bullets got lodged in Conrad’s Carhartt jacket, sources said, adding that he was not wearing bulletproof vest.
    Another shot grazed the wrist of bystander Lauran Code, a 46-year-old lingerie designer from California.
    Sources said that the incident does not appear to be a pattern, but the 9 mm guns used by the officers are going to be checked for malfunctions.
    John Cerar, a retired NYPD deputy inspector who headed the department’s Tactics and Firearms Section, from 1985 through 1994, said the incident was difficult to fathom.
    “I have not heard anything like this. There would be no reason for it,” Cerar said. “There would have to be some kind of defect. I would certainly look at the ammunition.”
    Cerar noted that he recalled one incident in the 1970s, in which the target of a police shooting escaped injury when one bullet struck his leather jacket and was somehow deflected, failing to wound the man.
    “It was just an anomaly,” he recalled, speaking of that incident.
    “An anomaly is one thing, but four anomalies is another thing entirely,” Cerar said, referring to the four bullets that never penetrated Conrad.
    Cerar added that “there could be a defect in the weapon” of some sort, but a “defect in the ammunition” was more likely.
    He insisted that an investigation into the matter is imperative. “It sounds like a problem and should be looked into.”
    To be human is to be armed.

    #2
    Nothing wrong with the gun, it fired. It's the ammo, stupid!
    SHADAP VARMINT!

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      #3
      Some of the guys at work were talking about this tonight and he gun malfunctioning. I laughed because if the gun itself malfunctioned the gun wouldn't have gone bang actually sent the rounds down to the subject.

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        #4
        Yea. This was an interesting read

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          #5
          Perhaps 9mm is the problem.

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            #6
            Those Carhartt jackets are like Kevlar!!

            So what does NYPD use for ammo?

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            • LazyLab
              LazyLab commented
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              Those jackets sure are.

            • Mad Russian
              Mad Russian commented
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              Marshmallow bullets?

            #7
            Other than a slight chance of firing out of battery (doubtful 4 times), it would have to be the ammo.
            Even firing out of battery, it would have to be so far out of battery that gas and powder would have sprayed everywhere out of the bad gun.
            Just trying to come up with possibilities..... Nope.. Still the ammo..

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              #8
              Nypd uses good ammo or at least they always have in the past. Who knows maybe they got a bad batch and can narrow it down to what range cycles were given the bad ammo.

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                #9
                Rumor has it that Deblasio wanted ammo,that would sting and annoy perps, not kill or cause serious physical injuries.

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                  #10
                  I bet they wouldn't have written this story if they were using .45

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                    #11
                    Anyone know exactly that they're issued and current lot numbers?

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                      #12
                      Originally posted by Shamuscull View Post
                      Rumor has it that Deblasio wanted ammo,that would sting and annoy perps, not kill or cause serious physical injuries.
                      Haha....this actually wouldn't surprise me in the least

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                        #13
                        The NYPD use Speer Gold Dot 124+p an ammo with a long proven track record of performing very well. They should look at the rest of the ammo in the magazine to see if it had gotten wet or somehow compromised. Maybe a bad batch, call in officers who qualified the same day and check their ammo.

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                        • somewhatstock
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                          I agree that +p GDs are a great round but if there is a bad batch, I'd like to know that I don't have any of it.

                          I wouldn't be shocked if in the end, it's determined that he was using something else or never even hit the guy except with richocheted fragments.

                          Time will tell but I still want details.

                        • SlowTime
                          SlowTime commented
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                          I was thinking the same thing. With the way some of these guys shoot the rounds could have hit the pavement and ricochet into the perp.

                        • Rrudo74901
                          Rrudo74901 commented
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                          You sure they use the +P?
                          My cousin is an MTA PO, I know not nypd, and he had to search to get the gold dots in non +P

                        #14
                        Wtf? Thank God it didn't cost an officer his life. Interested to see who manufactured the ammo.
                        “Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." - Benjamin Franklin

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                          #15
                          Does NYPD use ammo assigned by the department? If so I would assume that they buy in bulk and it is unlikely that anyone not in NYPD has any from the same batch of ammo.
                          Ben

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