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    Debate Over Policing The Pine Barrens

    Suffolk Sheriff Vincent DeMarco and the county’s powerful police union, who have battled over patrol of county highways, are squaring off for a new political gunfight over who will be the law in Long Island’s last frontier —the state’s 105,000-acre Central Pine Barrens preserve.

    The five-member pine barrens commission, concerned about the loss of the county’s park police, have negotiated a proposed 10-year pact with De-Marco “to perform enforcement oversight” in the pine barrens.
    The area covers 164 square miles in eastern Brookhaven, Riverhead and Southampton.
    But a commission vote to adopt the agreement was put off last week after the Suffolk Police Benevolent Association, which spends millions on political
    campaigns, filed a county grievance. The association sent a letter opposing the agreement as an infringement on their turf.
    PBA lawyer David Davis said the commission should “refrain from contracting patrol functions in the region from any county law enforcement
    group.” He noted that the PBA contract mandates “these functions are to be performed exclusively by . . . PBA members within the police district, including
    areas within the pine barrens region.”

    Riverhead Supervisor Sean Walter, who favors the pact with DeMarco, said the commission negotiated with the sheriff’s office because it is the
    only county law enforcement agency with jurisdiction in all three towns where the pine barrens are located, after the county park police merged
    with county police two years ago.
    The county police have jurisdiction only in Suffolk’s five western towns, including Brookhaven, which has about 60 percent of the pine barrens.

    The sheriff has jurisdiction countywide.
    Walter, whom the PBA spent $170,000 on a campaign against last year, said he hopes that the issue can be “sorted out” with the union. “I
    understand union concerns about taking union work,” he said, adding there is no attempt to take away 911 calls from county police. “It’s not
    really efficient to have three different law enforcement agencies enforce rules in the pine barrens,” he said. DeMarco chief of staff
    Michael Sharkey said he’s surprised at the PBA’s action, saying the pact only formalizes practices that have existed for 15 years. “It’s absurd to the
    nth degree,” he said.
    The sheriff’s office, the Department of Environmental Conservation enforcement officers and county park rangers in 2015 were involved in
    nearly 600 pine barrens arrests or summonses, including the impounding of 62 all-terrain vehicles and 52 dumping violations.

    Suffolk Planning Department director Sarah Lansdale, Bellone’s commission representative, got the panel to table the pact so the administration
    could work through differences.
    A spokeswoman later said the union would not be included.
    Some question the union’s grievance because the agreement involved a state-created commission and the sheriff.
    Others say a pact may need approval from Bellone and the county legislature.
    The proposed agreement, which includes no payment provision, calls for the sheriff’s office to “strive to establish a visible presence” by patrolling
    the pine barrens as well as taking and responding to calls from the 877-BARRENS hotline.
    The public can report violations, something the sheriff is already doing on an ad hoc basis. Brookhaven Supervisor Edward Romaine said the wrangling
    needs to be resolved so the pine barrens are not left unprotected.
    “We need a legitimate law enforcement agency to patrol the pine barrens because right now they are being destroyed,” he said.

    "Any man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards. More than that no man is entitled, and less than that no man shall have."
    President T. Roosevelt

    OUR FOREFATHERS WOULD BE SHOOTING BY NOW !

    #2
    I think The sheriffs office should take over the Pine barrens, If anyone is going to. The reality is that the pine barrens is Woods and does not need to be patrolled it is a tremendous waste of taxpayer money.

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      Pine Barrens Harbor Police

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        #4
        SCPD is too short handed to be patrolling it, let the Sheriff's department handle it.

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          #5
          Which side will give me full carry if I move there? Lets start the bidding at LOL.

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            #6
            Their function is to staff the jails and serve civil process and execute judgements for the courts. How did they get involved with that? Why are they even engaging citizens outside of those circumstances?

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              #7
              The Deputy Sheriffs Have the same training as SCPD. So why not !!!!!!! for much cheaper
              Better to have A gun in your hand, then a Cop on the phone

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                #8
                Who fucking cares....I remember guys fighting over precinct boundaries and Fire Marshall bitching about someone making an arson arrest......too many fucking egos
                Last edited by Shamuscull; 07-01-2016, 06:57 PM.

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                  #9
                  Those sheriffs thought they were so badass with their mopar hemi hiway cars when they patrolled the LIE. Now what do they use those cars for?

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                    #10
                    They're fighting over money, nothing more.
                    Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket.

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                      #11
                      I was at the boatyard a few minutes ago, I saw a poster on required equipment you can be checked for while underway. The top of the poster had the sherrifs dept logo, and said "marine bureau". I was like WTF?? The residents of Suffolk are getting royally screwed on taxes if the sherrifs dept has a marine bureau. They don't have any floating prison ships. I can see if NYCDOC had a marine bureau, as rikers is surrounded by water, but this is bullshit. Anybody who approved that expansion of services with the required equipment purchase should get bounced. A total scam pulled on the taxpayer.

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                        Originally posted by Long Island Gunner View Post
                        Their function is to staff the jails and serve civil process and execute judgements for the courts. How did they get involved with that? Why are they even engaging citizens outside of those circumstances?
                        They also provide a great deal of the law enforcement functions on the East End

                        Originally posted by Long Island Gunner View Post
                        Those sheriffs thought they were so badass with their mopar hemi hiway cars when they patrolled the LIE. Now what do they use those cars for?
                        IIRC, those have all been retired. Cars only last a few years

                        Originally posted by Long Island Gunner View Post
                        I was at the boatyard a few minutes ago, I saw a poster on required equipment you can be checked for while underway. The top of the poster had the sherrifs dept logo, and said "marine bureau". I was like WTF?? The residents of Suffolk are getting royally screwed on taxes if the sherrifs dept has a marine bureau. They don't have any floating prison ships. I can see if NYCDOC had a marine bureau, as rikers is surrounded by water, but this is bullshit. Anybody who approved that expansion of services with the required equipment purchase should get bounced. A total scam pulled on the taxpayer.
                        Do you know anything about anything or do you just come up with all this garbage to try and poke at people? There is a whole lot that it seems you have no clue on but that does not stop you from commenting. Sheriff is the top law enforcement in the County, they take detainees from Coast Guard etc countywide. They do the job that SCPD does for 1/3-1/2 the cost. They have built up equipment from surplus county vehicles over and over. They are a Hell of a lot more than the jail and the enforcers of judgements. The turf war has been going on for a while, with one side of the County gov't making a deal and the other side breaking it back and forth. Please do a little research, you sound foolish

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